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Re: THE 70% THING - help wanted

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Graham Jones <[log in to unmask]>

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Graham Jones <[log in to unmask]>

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Mon, 11 Jul 2011 08:55:57 +1000

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Help wanted!



Dear Colleagues, the "70% thing" refers to the percentage of medical decisions which are influenced by pathology tests. 



Another view of this issue is the number of pathology tests which affect clinical decision making.



I am seeking assistance to try and find a paper, maybe over 10 years old, which followed the clinical response to tests reported to the emergency department. From memory potassium had an effect of most number of times and albumin never changed short term management.



If anyone can identify this paper for me I would be most grateful.



Thanks,



Graham







Graham Jones

Staff Specialist in Chemical Pathology

St Vincent's Hospital, Sydney

Ph: (02) 8382-9160

Fax: (02) 8382-2489



>>> Dennis Huckerby <[log in to unmask]> 10/07/2011 7:18 am >>>

Hi Mike, Rick and all



 



My reason for entering this chat line was because I remembered writing a

paper about this 70% and following an exchange of emails with you Mike over

the weekend, I realised that the ref in my earlier email was not the answer.

So digging around in my files I found my paper (MLW Sept 2002 Conspicuous by

its absence P 6 et seq) and apart from identifying the first quote of the

70% figure in an HSC Report, I was annoyed/disturbed/disgusted at the time

to find that neither the IBMS nor the ACB were represented as organisations

in the list of witnesses interviewed even though they may well have been

there as individual members.



 



However to cut a very long story short here is the ref for the HSC Report

and I then copy the intro to the Pathology Section. You can read the rest

for yourselves - -



 



 

<http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm200102/cmselect/cmhe 

alth/308/30802.htm>

http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm200102/cmselect/cmhea 

lth/308/30802.htm



 





   Description: Description: House of Commons portcullis

House of Commons



Session 2001-02

 <http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm/cmpubns.htm>

Publications on the internet

 <http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm/cmhealth.htm>

Health Committee Publications 



 





Health - First Report



  _____  



Here you can browse the report together with the Proceedings of the

Committee. The published report was ordered by the House of Commons to be

printed 1 May 2002.



 



CONTENTS – You can read these for yourselves when you go to this site. 



As promised/threatened above here is the intro to the Pathology section –

please note #141 – but who/where was the analysis carried out??



 



VI PATHOLOGY AND PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS 



Pathology in the NHS



139. Our terms of reference extended to Public Private Partnerships. As we

noted above, The NHS Plan outlined areas for further collaboration between

the NHS and the independent sector. We chose to focus on pathology, one of

the key areas where the Department anticipates growth.



140. The estimated total NHS expenditure on pathology services was £742

million in 2000-01, an increase of nearly £200 million on the figure for

1998-99.[

<http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm200102/cmselect/cmhe 

alth/308/30809.htm#note231> 231] The Royal College of Pathologists estimates

that pathology consumes around 6% of the NHS acute services budget.[

<http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm200102/cmselect/cmhe 

alth/308/30809.htm#note232> 232] There are around 300 services in England,

usually based in acute trusts, and about 1700 separate laboratories

(principally haematology, microbiology, biochemistry, histopathology,

immunology). Historically, pathology laboratories developed on-site in

hospitals, serving local catchment populations. There are also approximately

250 private sector laboratories. There are a further 46 Public Health

Laboratory services.[

<http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm200102/cmselect/cmhe 

alth/308/30809.htm#note233> 233] 



141. Up to 70% of all diagnoses in NHS patients depend on laboratory tests,

hence NHS pathology services are critical for the day to day evidence-based

care of patients. Fewer than 5% of test requests ("hot tests") require a

response within 24 hours. The NHS undertakes some pathology work for the

independent sector, but very little NHS work is currently undertaken by the

independent sector. In addition, the reprovision of laboratories has been

included in a number of PFI projects. Only about 5% of pathology work

undertaken in the UK is currently conducted by the private sector.[

<http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm200102/cmselect/cmhe 

alth/308/30809.htm#note234> 234] 



I have to admit that I have not read thru the total report and it may well

mention somewhere more about the work carried out to support the 70% figure.

However if not then I am sure there are amongst you those who will know and

be able to contact some of the more prominent Pathology personnel eg – Prof.

Sir John Lilleyman and Karen Ward to mention just two



 



So hope this ramble helps you identify the source and accuracy of the 70%

figure and then I hope you will publish your findings----------PLEASE



 



Happy reading everybody……………………Dennis



 





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