medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
DAMN, i *hate* it when that happens.
my profound apologies for sending this heavy file to the list --it seems that
just typing "[Offlist]" in the subject line isn't enough to actually send the
damned thing offlist.
i suppose i'll get the hang of this email gadget after a few more years.
i sincerely hope i haven't inconvenienced too many folks too much.
very, very sorry,
c
------ Original Message ------
Received: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 09:37:29 AM EST
From: Christopher Crockett <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [M-R] [Offlist] Re: [M-R] photo archive additions
> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
>
> hi Chris,
>
> looks like you did a bit better on the inscriptions than i did.
>
> thought you might like to see the .jpgs of the Louvre and V&A artifacts that
i
> was working from.
>
> best,
>
> c
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> Received: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:38:35 PM EST
> From: Chris Laning <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [M-R] photo archive additions
>
> > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
> >
> > On Dec 10, 2010, at 8:39 AM, Christopher Crockett wrote:
> >
> > > that being said, here's my Best Shot:
> > >
> > > [..] = Illegible letter
> > > [?] = Doubtful reading
> > >
> > > *Louvre Pomander1-Left: VES . DES : S. MARTIRS
> > >
> > > *Louvre Pomander1-Right: CI . SVNT . LV[?]ES . RELV[?]IQ
> > >
> > >
> > > *Louvre Pomander2-Left: VES . DES : S. MARTIRS
> > >
> > > *Louvre Pomander2-Center:[..]C[?]S[?] . DES : [..][..][..] [..][..]
> > > [..]TRAS
> > >
> > > Louvre Pomander2-Right: CI . SVNT . LV[?]ES . RELV[?]IQ
> > >
> > >
> > > V & A Pomander2-Lower Left: EAV[?]SA : PATETIVSTA[..]ENS[?]
> > >
> > > V & A Pomander1-Upper Left: . SE . DANT. REGNAREGII
> > >
> > > V & A Pomander1-Upper Right: . DITEI[? . DECVS . ERIS .
> > >
> > > V & A Pomander1-Lower Right: . AM[?] . PAREM . TIBI . DONO .
> > >
> > >
> > > some of my readings are quite confidently made, but if anyone her
> > > can make
> > > sense out of that stuff, i'd like to hear of it.
> >
> >
> > Wow. The Louvre one definitely does sound like a reliquary, from those
> > inscriptions. (Two instances of "RELV[?]Q", for one thing.)
> >
> > The V&A one is more cryptic. Fortunately I have a photocopy of the
> > relevant pages from the V&A's _Medieval European Jewellery_ (the
> > giant 1992 book I fervently wish I had bought when new -- $200+ then,
> > now well over $1,000 used).
> >
> > This gives the inscription as:
> >
> > PRO . POMI . DORO . PARIS . AGE . PAREM . TIBI . DONO
> >
> > SENSV . DIVES . ERIS . SI ME . DITEI . DECVS . ERIS
> >
> > SE . DANT . REGNA . REGI . MICHE . SI FA[V]EAS TIBI . REGI
> >
> > EST MAGIS . ORE . VENUSTA . CAUSA . PATET . IVSTA VEN[ERIS]
> >
> > (I don't know why they didn't include the inscription on the web page
> > for this.)
> >
> > Clearly quite secular, referring to the Judgement of Paris. Which
> > might indicate that there may indeed have been different items
> > (pomander and reliquary) using the same form. I would certainly have
> > difficulty imagining a reliquary with an inscription like this.
> >
> > Interestingly, this particular example in the V&A is dated to the 14th
> > century by A.H. Church (in 1886) on the basis of the lettering and
> > ornament, and he(?) considers it Italian and the earliest known
> > pomander. Considering how similar the forms of this one, the Louvre
> > example and the V&A example dated 1610-1620 in the V&A are
> (http://images.vam.ac.uk/item/O156619/pomander/
> > ), this has me scratching my head and wondering a bit about dates and
> > such.
> >
> > ____________________________________________________________
> >
> > O Chris Laning <[log in to unmask]> - Davis, California
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