Hi Julie & Kathryn,
this paper is missing in your list:
Hatting, Tove (1975): The influence of castration on sheep horns. in:
Clason, Anneke T. (ed.): Archaeozoological studies, 345-351, Amsterdam
Yours
Christian
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Am 19.11.2010 um 15:01 schrieb Julie Hamilton:
> Hi all
> this is a query from a colleague...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kathryn Reusch" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: "Julie Hamilton" <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 1:46 PM
> Subject: Animal Writes - zooarchaeology of Pets -- castration issues
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> I am a DPhil candidate at the School of Archaeology, University of
> Oxford. I actually focus on human remains, but one of the list
> members sent
> me this topic thread. I am looking at the effects of castration before
> puberty on the development of the human male skeleton, but am having a
> difficult time finding skeletons to examine. Because of this, I am
> looking
> into transitioning my project to include animal castration, and am
> considering looking at a cross-mammal comparison of the skeletal
> effects of
> castration. I have many of the zooarchaeological texts which
> involve the
> study of castration (Moran and O'Connor, Armitage and Clutton-
> Brock, Davis,
> De Cupere et al, Jewell, Luff, etc.), but can anyone recommend any
> recent
> work? Would anyone be able to suggest any collections of modern
> animal bones
> that I could use for my study? What animals would be most
> interesting for a
> study of this nature? I would greatly appreciate any advice or
> information
> you could give me, and would love to be able to contribute to this
> discussion.
>
> Sincerely,
> Kathryn Reusch
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>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Pam Cross<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 10:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [ZOOARCH] Animal Writes - zooarchaeology of Pets --
> castration
> issues
>
> Dear All
>
> This thread has certainly expanded and diverted. If we're on the
> topic of
> castration methods and histories...which is well beyond the pet
> thing, I
> think, but anyway...
>
> John -- your comment about camel castration was interesting if
> unexpected. I
> am not familiar with the method via rectum palpation.
>
> I'd be interested in what we know about the history of castrating
> animals
> generally and very specifically regarding horses. What evidence we
> have
> osteologically and tool-wise. I know there is a great deal of
> literature
> about differentiating ovi-caprid castrates... But I'm not sure
> what is
> known about horses. I have collected some information (increased
> height,
> less muscle, more fat) and the possibilities for castration at
> different
> points, including castrating horses later (apparently call stags?)
> to get a
> more stallion like physique (particularly the heavier neck) but a
> quieter
> disposition. This of course, would make discerning intact/gelded
> horses even
> more difficult to ID osteologically. Dogs too, with a similar
> economic/social position to horses, I think would have similar
> considerations.
>
> Perhaps this might make a good session topic? The issues and
> history of
> castration in domesticates? Would people be interested in such a
> session if
> I can see about organising something at one of the upcoming
> conferences?
> Would palaeopathology consider that topic to be within their
> 'jurisdiction'?
> I would think so.
>
> At any rate, I think this is interesting and I would love any
> related info,
> particularly about horses. I remember reading about a European site
> where
> the analysis says that a gelding was identified, but don't remember
> the
> source at the moment...though I do remember there was nothing to
> explain how
> this conclusion was made.
>
> regards,
> Pam
>
> Pamela J Cross
> PhD researcher, Bioarchaeology
> AGES, University of Bradford
> BD7 1DP UK
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> =================================================
> In a message dated 16/11/2010 20:46:43 GMT Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
> As a vet I ought to know the answer and perhaps this is a
> digression too
> far but when did people start castrating cockerels and how? I know
> that
> camels were castrated per rectum by palpation a very long time ago
> but that
> does not seem feasible for cockerels.....
> John Fletcher
>
>
> John Fletcher PhD, BVMS, Hon FRCVS,ARAgS,
> Reediehill Farm, Auchtermuchty,Scotland,
> KY14 7HS
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Lee G. Broderick<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 6:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [ZOOARCH] Re : [ZOOARCH] Animal Writes -
> zooarchaeology of Pets
>
> Criticism willingly accepted Louisa! You’re quite right – I think
> I must
> have got carried away with myself there for a moment.
> Best regards,
> Lee G. Broderick. BA (Hons), MSc, FZS
> Zooarchaeologist
> www.zooarchaeology.co.uk<http://www.zooarchaeology.co.uk/>
> From: GIDNEY L.J. [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: 16 November 2010 16:45
> To: Lee G. Broderick; [log in to unmask]
> Subject: RE: [ZOOARCH] Re : [ZOOARCH] Animal Writes -
> zooarchaeology of Pets
> With respect, a pullet is a young female, a cockerel is a young
> male. The
> usage "point of lay pullet" is still commonplace. And what about
> capons,
> large fat male eunuch table birds.
> The "lowly peasant" and the "elite" were only using the words of their
> respective native languages. We merely had a ruling class who spoke a
> foreign language. Mouton is still sheep and sheep meat in French, for
> example.
> What is the linguistic derivation of bacon? Staple meat of the
> laboratores.
> Regards, Louisa
> From: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites on
> behalf of Lee
> G. Broderick
> Sent: Tue 16/11/2010 16:24
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [ZOOARCH] Re : [ZOOARCH] Animal Writes -
> zooarchaeology of Pets
> I’m not sure that we can discuss pheasants in this light, since
> they were
> introduced from Asia, probably some time in the middle to late
> mediaeval
> period. In which case, it may be derived directly from the Latin,
> rather
> than via French. What the reasoning is behind quail, I have no idea.
> I think Geraldine may have hit upon something though:
> Pullet (Poulet)
> Pullets, of course, are birds less than a year old and may well
> have been
> called this to distinguish the young male birds, destined for the
> table,
> from those hens which would go on to produce eggs. If this is the
> case, we
> then have to ask not “why do we still call chickens chickens when
> we eat
> them” but “why did we stop calling them pullets?”
> Anton’s idea re. the need to label unrecognisable chunks of
> prepared meat is
> a valid one. There’s also a social interpretation of the language
> however,
> whereby the lowly peasants who do the grubby work of looking after the
> animals have one word, whereas the elite have another word to use
> when it
> enters their domain.
> Best regards, Lee G. Broderick. BA (Hons), MSc, FZS
> Zooarchaeologist www.zooarchaeology.co.uk<http://
> www.zooarchaeology.co.uk>
> From: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of geraldine
> Sent: 16 November 2010 15:53
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: [ZOOARCH] Re : [ZOOARCH] Animal Writes - zooarchaeology of
> Pets
> then again... poultry (FR poule) and hen (GER Huhn)...
> Geraldine
>
> ________________________________
> De : Burke Ariane <[log in to unmask]>
> À : [log in to unmask]
> Envoyé le : Mar 16 novembre 2010, 16h 00min 45s
> Objet : Re: [ZOOARCH] Animal Writes - zooarchaeology of Pets
>
> I'm guessing low-status food... Except for quail (caille) and pheasant
> (faisan)?
> AB
>
> Prof. Ariane Burke,
> Dept. d'anthropologie,
> Université de Montréal,
> C.P. 6128, Succursale Centre-Ville
> Montreal, QC
> Canada, H3C 3J7
> Tel. 514-343-6574 Fax. 514-343-2494
> http://www.mapageweb.umontreal.ca/burkea/
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites on
> behalf of Lee
> G. Broderick
> Sent: Tue 2010-11-16 9:05 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: [ZOOARCH] Animal Writes - zooarchaeology of Pets
>
> I'm sure most people on this list are aware of this, but the English
> "linguistic separation between meat and the animal" is a result of
> the
> Norman conquest - the Anglo-Saxons tended the animals in life, but
> then
> served the prepared product to their Norman overlords, at which
> point they
> acquired the French word:
>
> Cow > Beef (Bouef)
> Sheep > Mutton (Mouton)
> Pig > Pork (Porc)
> Deer > Venison (Venaison)
>
> Quite why this didn't affect the vocabulary relating to poultry I
> have no
> idea.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Lee G. Broderick. BA (Hons), MSc, FZS
>
> Zooarchaeologist
>
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