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Hi all
this is a query from a colleague...
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From: "Kathryn Reusch" <[log in to unmask]>
To: "Julie Hamilton" <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 1:46 PM
Subject: Animal Writes - zooarchaeology of Pets -- castration issues
Hello all,
I am a DPhil candidate at the School of Archaeology, University of
Oxford. I actually focus on human remains, but one of the list members sent
me this topic thread. I am looking at the effects of castration before
puberty on the development of the human male skeleton, but am having a
difficult time finding skeletons to examine. Because of this, I am looking
into transitioning my project to include animal castration, and am
considering looking at a cross-mammal comparison of the skeletal effects of
castration. I have many of the zooarchaeological texts which involve the
study of castration (Moran and O'Connor, Armitage and Clutton-Brock, Davis,
De Cupere et al, Jewell, Luff, etc.), but can anyone recommend any recent
work? Would anyone be able to suggest any collections of modern animal bones
that I could use for my study? What animals would be most interesting for a
study of this nature? I would greatly appreciate any advice or information
you could give me, and would love to be able to contribute to this
discussion.
Sincerely,
Kathryn Reusch
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From: Pam Cross<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [ZOOARCH] Animal Writes - zooarchaeology of Pets -- castration
issues
Dear All
This thread has certainly expanded and diverted. If we're on the topic of
castration methods and histories...which is well beyond the pet thing, I
think, but anyway...
John -- your comment about camel castration was interesting if unexpected. I
am not familiar with the method via rectum palpation.
I'd be interested in what we know about the history of castrating animals
generally and very specifically regarding horses. What evidence we have
osteologically and tool-wise. I know there is a great deal of literature
about differentiating ovi-caprid castrates... But I'm not sure what is
known about horses. I have collected some information (increased height,
less muscle, more fat) and the possibilities for castration at different
points, including castrating horses later (apparently call stags?) to get a
more stallion like physique (particularly the heavier neck) but a quieter
disposition. This of course, would make discerning intact/gelded horses even
more difficult to ID osteologically. Dogs too, with a similar
economic/social position to horses, I think would have similar
considerations.
Perhaps this might make a good session topic? The issues and history of
castration in domesticates? Would people be interested in such a session if
I can see about organising something at one of the upcoming conferences?
Would palaeopathology consider that topic to be within their 'jurisdiction'?
I would think so.
At any rate, I think this is interesting and I would love any related info,
particularly about horses. I remember reading about a European site where
the analysis says that a gelding was identified, but don't remember the
source at the moment...though I do remember there was nothing to explain how
this conclusion was made.
regards,
Pam
Pamela J Cross
PhD researcher, Bioarchaeology
AGES, University of Bradford
BD7 1DP UK
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In a message dated 16/11/2010 20:46:43 GMT Standard Time,
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As a vet I ought to know the answer and perhaps this is a digression too
far but when did people start castrating cockerels and how? I know that
camels were castrated per rectum by palpation a very long time ago but that
does not seem feasible for cockerels.....
John Fletcher
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Reediehill Farm, Auchtermuchty,Scotland,
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From: Lee G. Broderick<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: [ZOOARCH] Re : [ZOOARCH] Animal Writes - zooarchaeology of Pets
Criticism willingly accepted Louisa! You’re quite right – I think I must
have got carried away with myself there for a moment.
Best regards,
Lee G. Broderick. BA (Hons), MSc, FZS
Zooarchaeologist
www.zooarchaeology.co.uk<http://www.zooarchaeology.co.uk/>
From: GIDNEY L.J. [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 16 November 2010 16:45
To: Lee G. Broderick; [log in to unmask]
Subject: RE: [ZOOARCH] Re : [ZOOARCH] Animal Writes - zooarchaeology of Pets
With respect, a pullet is a young female, a cockerel is a young male. The
usage "point of lay pullet" is still commonplace. And what about capons,
large fat male eunuch table birds.
The "lowly peasant" and the "elite" were only using the words of their
respective native languages. We merely had a ruling class who spoke a
foreign language. Mouton is still sheep and sheep meat in French, for
example.
What is the linguistic derivation of bacon? Staple meat of the laboratores.
Regards, Louisa
From: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites on behalf of Lee
G. Broderick
Sent: Tue 16/11/2010 16:24
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Subject: Re: [ZOOARCH] Re : [ZOOARCH] Animal Writes - zooarchaeology of Pets
I’m not sure that we can discuss pheasants in this light, since they were
introduced from Asia, probably some time in the middle to late mediaeval
period. In which case, it may be derived directly from the Latin, rather
than via French. What the reasoning is behind quail, I have no idea.
I think Geraldine may have hit upon something though:
Pullet (Poulet)
Pullets, of course, are birds less than a year old and may well have been
called this to distinguish the young male birds, destined for the table,
from those hens which would go on to produce eggs. If this is the case, we
then have to ask not “why do we still call chickens chickens when we eat
them” but “why did we stop calling them pullets?”
Anton’s idea re. the need to label unrecognisable chunks of prepared meat is
a valid one. There’s also a social interpretation of the language however,
whereby the lowly peasants who do the grubby work of looking after the
animals have one word, whereas the elite have another word to use when it
enters their domain.
Best regards, Lee G. Broderick. BA (Hons), MSc, FZS
Zooarchaeologist www.zooarchaeology.co.uk<http://www.zooarchaeology.co.uk>
From: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites
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Sent: 16 November 2010 15:53
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Subject: [ZOOARCH] Re : [ZOOARCH] Animal Writes - zooarchaeology of Pets
then again... poultry (FR poule) and hen (GER Huhn)...
Geraldine
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I'm guessing low-status food... Except for quail (caille) and pheasant
(faisan)?
AB
Prof. Ariane Burke,
Dept. d'anthropologie,
Université de Montréal,
C.P. 6128, Succursale Centre-Ville
Montreal, QC
Canada, H3C 3J7
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From: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites on behalf of Lee
G. Broderick
Sent: Tue 2010-11-16 9:05 AM
To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: [ZOOARCH] Animal Writes - zooarchaeology of Pets
I'm sure most people on this list are aware of this, but the English
"linguistic separation between meat and the animal" is a result of the
Norman conquest - the Anglo-Saxons tended the animals in life, but then
served the prepared product to their Norman overlords, at which point they
acquired the French word:
Cow > Beef (Bouef)
Sheep > Mutton (Mouton)
Pig > Pork (Porc)
Deer > Venison (Venaison)
Quite why this didn't affect the vocabulary relating to poultry I have no
idea.
Best regards,
Lee G. Broderick. BA (Hons), MSc, FZS
Zooarchaeologist
www.zooarchaeology.co.uk<http://www.zooarchaeology.co.uk/>
<http://www.zooarchaeology.co.uk/>
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