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Check etruscan/roman wine mixing hardware- actually usually ceramic like
a punch bowl cant remember if they are the ones on pedestals with
handles or crock shape. Odly enough due to latin instruction of irish
song writers the word often turns up in Irish folk music as well.
Chalices would be smaller generally either in tulip or mazor shape-
mazors tend to be squat wide mouth pedistal containers and about
contents volume of chalice.
IMHO at the present time awaiting further work- wassail bolws of 17th
century or earlier that are not mazors may be either mock chalices or
chalices removed from service due to political or other reasons. Jury is
still out. These come with small containers on their lids which may have
held not spices but host wafers....must stop there.
Conrad
Andrew Larsen wrote:
> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
> culture In the ancient world, a krater was a large vase used for
> mixing wine. I'm guessing the Latin word slowly evolved to include a
> variety of vessels with a loosely similar shape. So perhaps 'bowl'
> would catch the possible range of vessels included in the word.
>
> Andrew E. Larsen
> On Nov 4, 2010, at 11:42 AM, Bill Schipper wrote:
>
>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
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>> Latham, under “cratera” gives ‘catch-basin (for sewage)’ with 1402 as
>> a date; “cratera plana” as ‘flat-piece (of plate)’, 1471; and
>> “craterus” (for –a), ‘bowl’ with 1362 and 1450 as dates for citations.
>>
>>
>>
>> And from Lewis and Short, under “cratera”: ‘a vessel in which wine
>> was mixed with water, a mixing vessel or bowl’ (it’s also the word
>> for the mouth of a volcano, but that is probably not something you
>> could leave to someone; but the modern word “crater” comes to mind,
>> in the sense of a bowl shaped top to a volcano).
>>
>>
>>
>> And Ducange, among other things, lists “lampas vel urnas lampadis”
>> (with a citation to Isidore), which I presume are lamp bowls.
>>
>>
>>
>> I don’t have a copy of the Oxford Latin Dictionary in my office
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill Schipper
>>
>>
>>
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>> I am finishing my last (I hope) episcopal biography for ODNB. Thomas
>> Kemp, bishop of London, left his executors silver gilt 'crater's,
>> standing and not, with 'their' covers. I assume they are dishes of
>> some kind but can anyone be more precise? All these chaps were
>> priests, so might they be liturgical vessels of some kind? Or are
>> they just table ware?
>>
>>
>>
>> By the way, I sent a report of my Brussels trip into the ether but do
>> not seem to have received it myself. Did it come to the list or are
>> you all waiting with bated breath for my reports of the delights of
>> late gothic churches and frites with mayonnaise?
>>
>>
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
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