A graph is not meant to diagrammatically represent, say, an aspect of
the economy?
j
On 10/25/10 12:46 PM, Don Handelman wrote:
> Question is whether a figurative photograph (or a film) can do other
> than make implicit truth claims. In this sense there is no showing
> without claiming. Representation apparently cannot be done away with.
> Diagrams don't make truth claims since they represent nothing in
> 'reality', only themselves as diagrams. Show themselves to be
> diagrams. Question then is whether there are films that are closer to
> diagrams in this respect than they are to photos. Likely there are.
> And if there are, then these films are not representations in the
> first instance, while treating them as representations (for example,
> as narratives) is not the fruitful way to go. Such a film then would
> be analyzed more fruitfully in its own right, as a creation in
> relation to itself.
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> DH
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>> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 09:30:33 -0400
>> From: "Frank, Michael"<[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: FILM-PHILOSOPHY Digest - 24 Oct 2010 (#2010-283)
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>> photographs lie only when you assume that they are SAYING something
>> as opposed to SHOWING something . . . a photograph understood as
>> simply showing something cannot lie, it only shows what it
>> shows . . . the idea that what it shows corresponds to something
>> else not in the photograph is an idea [maybe a linguistic idea] and
>> cannot be blamed on the photograph itself -- for the poor photo does
>> nothing more than show what it shows . . . which is axiomatic
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>>> Regarding truth claims of the visual, a line from the 1990 noir
>>> thriller, Blindside:
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>> "Photographs lie; diagrams tell the truth."
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