medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
I think this was often attributed to Augustine, but I seem to remember
someone posted here long ago that it was actually a margin note by a
later redactor.
Chuck
On 9/23/2010 3:34 AM, [log in to unmask] wrote:
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> My guess is that this particular phrasing was coined during the controversies of
> the reformation, maybe even by Calvin himself. I have checked the digital
> Libraries of "Classic Protestant Texts" and of the "Catholic Reformation" (both
> published by Alexander Street Press), coming up with 25 hits in the first and
> with 5 in the latter. The earliest occurence that I have found is in Calvin,
> _Commentarii in Iesaiam_ (first publ. in 1551), Opera omnia, t.IX, Amsterdam:
> Schipper, 1671, p.289 (on Is 44,10).
>
> If you are interested, I can provide precise references and quotations.
>
> Kind regards, O.
>
>
> George FERZOCO<[log in to unmask]> hat am 22. September 2010 um 23:07
> geschrieben:
>
>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
>>
>> Hey Tom, Hey Jim,
>>
>> Let's not forget everyone's idea of fun, Jean Calvin:
>>
>> *Christianae religionis institutio* (ed. 1559), lib. 1, cap. 11, par.
>> 5, col. 78, l. 16:
>> Scio quidem illud vulgo esse plus quam tritum: libros idiotarum esse
>> imagines.
>>
>> Not having fun yet? Try
>>
>> *Christianae religionis institutio* (ed. 1559), lib. 1, cap. 11, par.
>> 7, col. 79, l. 22:
>> Quare si quid frontis habent papistae, ne posthac effugio isto
>> utantur, libros esse idiotarum imagines; quod tam aperte pluribus
>> scripturae testimoniis refellitur.
>>
>> This, thanks to Brepols and its Library of Latin Texts - Series A.
>> (That was a public service announcement.)
>>
>> George
>> --
>> George FERZOCO
>> [log in to unmask]
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>>
>> On 22 Sep 2010, at 21:47, Dr Jim Bugslag wrote:
>>
>>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
>>> culture
>>> Tom,
>>> You might recommend the following to your friend:
>>> Celia M. Chazelle., ‘Pictures, books and the illiterate: Pope
>>> Gregory I’s letters to Serenus of Marseilles,’ Word& Image, 6, no.
>>> 2 (Apr-June 1990), 138-53
>>> idem, "Memory, Instruction, Worship: Gregory's Influence on Early
>>> Medieval Doctrines of the Artistic Image," in Gregory the Great, A
>>> Symposium (Notre-Dame, IN, 1995), pp. 181-215
>>> Lawrence Duggan, "Reflections on 'Was Art Really the book of the
>>> Illiterate?'," in Reading Images and Texts: Medieval Images and
>>> Texts as Forms of Communication, ed. M. Hageman and M. Mostert
>>> (Turnhout, 2004), sorry, no page refs.
>>> idem, "Was Art Really the 'Book of the Illiterate'?," Word& Image,
>>> 5 (1989), 227-51
>>> Jean-Claude Schmitt, "Ecriture et image: les avatars medievaux du
>>> modele gregorien," in Theories et pratiques de l'ecriture au Moyen
>>> Age (Nanterre, 1988), pp. 119-50
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jim
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> On 22/09/2010 2:26 PM, Tom Izbicki wrote:
>>>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
>>>> culture
>>>>
>>>> I am helping a friend with a Latin document of the 17th century.
>>>> It cites Gregory the Great as calling images "libri idiotarum,"
>>>> with a reference to a letter to Serenus of Marseille. I checked
>>>> the letter,& the wording is not the same. The meaning matches,
>>>> but the expression is not there. I did the inevitable Google
>>>> search& found a lot of references to Gregory using the term. Has
>>>> anyone run into a use of the term between Gregory's time& the 17th
>>>> century?
>>>>
>>>> Tom Izbicki
>>>>
>>
> Dr. Otfried Lieberknecht
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