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From: Tom Izbicki <[log in to unmask]>
> A confessor might impose a penance or restitution of ill-gotten gains, but
the individual might choose a penance his or her self. That could include
something big, like building a church.
i would suggest viewing the whole matter as something of a Continuum,
stretching all the way from something imposed on someone by some higher
authority for some clear mis-deed to, otOh, some self-"imposed" "penance" for
some imagined (or real) failure of one sort or another.
i have in mind particularly Bishop Godfrey (II) of Chartres' foundation of the
Benedictine abbey of St. Mary of Josaphat on his family's land at Leves, just
down the river from Chartres.
http://ariadne.org/cc/abbeys/josaphat/1728vue.jpg
http://ariadne.org/cc/abbeys/josaphat/josview3.jpg
http://ariadne.org/cc/abbeys/josaphat/josaphat.html
the local tradition (which i have not been able to run to earth before the
18th c., but which seems reasonable enough) has/had it that this was done, not
in penance exactly, but in place of a solemn vow taken to undertake a
"pilgrimage" to Jerusalem, which happened to be full of Chartrainers, just
then, and which had its own particular "Jehosaphat," just outside the walls of
the citadel, in a somewhat analogous position to that of Leves viz-a-viz
Chartres:
http://ariadne.org/cc/abbeys/josaphat/jehosaphat.html
which trip was said to be interrupted when news of (St.) Ivo's death reached
him at Rome, well on his way outre-mer, together with news of his own
"election" as Ivo's successor to the see of Chartres.
the abbey's foundation --which was accomplished immediately upon Godfrey's
return to Chartres-- was undoubtedly also motivated by "dynastic"
considerations: the Leveses had long been active within the chapter of
Chartres, Godfrey himself had been a Dignitary there himself, his nephew,
Goslen of Musy, succeeded him as Bishop, etc.) and the family was one of the
most powerful and well-connected in the region (originally linked to the "Le
Riche" of Paris).
Josaphat (as it was called) became, for next century (at least) the favored
necropolis of, not only the family, but also of the Bishops of Chartres,
including Godfrey himself, Goslen, the illustrious John "of Salisbury," and
others.
every place/person must be dealt with as its own little universe, all politics
is Local, every situation unique in its own way.
c
> Christopher Crockett wrote:
> > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
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> > From: Cecilia Gaposchkin <[log in to unmask]>
> >
> >
> >> Forgive my late entrance into this discussion. Has Enguerrand de Coucy
been
> >>
> > mentioned yet? He summarily hanged three young noblemen for hunting on
his
> > lands and was brought before Louis IX's royal parliament for judgement.
> >
> >> Louis imposed a fine of, depending on the source, 10,000 and 12,000
livres.
> >> It is the Grandes Chroniques de France that explained that much of this
was
> >>
> > used to build the Dominican convent in Paris. Here's the source text:
> >
> >
> >> ....the “meison Dieu de Ponthoise…
> >>
> >
> >
> >> I'm not sure if this counts as penance or restitution, or simply a fine
> >>
> > that the king then used to his own devotional ends.
> >
> >
> > the near-excellent local historian, Joseph Depoin, will no doubt have
> > something to say about it in his:
> >
> > Depoin, Joseph (1855-1924)
> > Cartulaire de l'Hôtel-Dieu de Pontoise, publié avec des notes... par J.
> > Depoin,...
> > Pontoise (Montdidier : impr. de Allart), 1886
> > In-4° , VII-131 p.
> >
> > (Documents édités par la Société historique du Vexin)
> >
> > a usually reliable source.
> >
> > certainly one worth consulting.
> >
> > i had thought that it was available on Gallica.bnf.fr (as are his editions
of
> > the documents of St. Martin-des-Champs and St. Martin of Pontoise, among
> > others), but apparently it is not.
> >
> > c
> >
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