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A confessor might impose a penance or restitution of ill-gotten gains,
but the individual might choose a penance his or her self. That could
include something big, like building a church.
Tom Izbicki
Christopher Crockett wrote:
> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
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> From: Cecilia Gaposchkin <[log in to unmask]>
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>> Forgive my late entrance into this discussion. Has Enguerrand de Coucy been
>>
> mentioned yet? He summarily hanged three young noblemen for hunting on his
> lands and was brought before Louis IX's royal parliament for judgement.
>
>> Louis imposed a fine of, depending on the source, 10,000 and 12,000 livres.
>> It is the Grandes Chroniques de France that explained that much of this was
>>
> used to build the Dominican convent in Paris. Here's the source text:
>
>
>> ....the “meison Dieu de Ponthoise…
>>
>
>
>> I'm not sure if this counts as penance or restitution, or simply a fine
>>
> that the king then used to his own devotional ends.
>
>
> the near-excellent local historian, Joseph Depoin, will no doubt have
> something to say about it in his:
>
> Depoin, Joseph (1855-1924)
> Cartulaire de l'Hôtel-Dieu de Pontoise, publié avec des notes... par J.
> Depoin,...
> Pontoise (Montdidier : impr. de Allart), 1886
> In-4° , VII-131 p.
>
> (Documents édités par la Société historique du Vexin)
>
> a usually reliable source.
>
> certainly one worth consulting.
>
> i had thought that it was available on Gallica.bnf.fr (as are his editions of
> the documents of St. Martin-des-Champs and St. Martin of Pontoise, among
> others), but apparently it is not.
>
> c
>
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