Terence,
"It's interesting that you can already see how other approaches might be
developed based on 'neuropsychs onto working out strong cognitive
techniques, from a designers' perspective, for enabling consistent pathway
guessing from sporadic and incomplete data'."
Can you tell me more about this, it sounds really interesting.
"1) when we look very carefully at the activity of (say) when a designer
sketches, they do it in a fundamentally different way from an artist
sketching."
Do they? I can only speak for the graphics, but there it seems pretty the same.
Regards,
Kai
Terence Love schrieb:
> Dear Adam,
>
> You raise serious points.
>
> I agree, designers currently work with theories, idea generating, support
> and validation tools that are in many areas of design slower than needed to
> get product to market.
> A crucial problem - as you diagnose - is improving this situation. For the
> moment, going by hunches and guesses is the best we've got in terms of
> getting things done in a short enough time frame to be economically viable
> compared to others doing the same. The compromise for the sponsors is that
> at the moment they have to accept paying for services that involve huge
> amounts of guesswork.
> It's interesting that you can already see how other approaches might be
> developed based on 'neuropsychs onto working out strong cognitive
> techniques, from a designers' perspective, for enabling consistent pathway
> guessing from sporadic and incomplete data'.
>
> This is not a new situation in the history of design field development.
> Designers have been in this position before in many other areas of design.
> It is less than a century ago that most engineering design was done by
> guessing and by engineers maintain that it was the only approach and that
> engineering was and could only be an 'art'. Hence, many Engineering
> graduates were awarded a Bachelor of Art. It is less than a decade since
> designers regarded it as an art to design products involving fluid
> dynamics - and argued that it was only possible because of time constraints.
> Design research and design methods move on - now fluid dynamics is available
> at the push of a button in SolidWorks and AutoCad. The extension of this
> kind of design research and design method development into visual design
> fields is already very established in graphic design software.
>
> That was not my main point in the earlier post.
>
> Perhaps the most fundamental point was suggesting that designers do things
> that appear similar to artists (and long ago were based on things art
> practices) but designers activities are different from artists' activities
> in very fundamental ways.
>
> I'm suggesting that as designers we can identify differences between design
> ways of doing things from the purely Art ways of doing things.
>
> For example, I'm suggesting that:
>
> 1) when we look very carefully at the activity of (say) when a designer
> sketches, they do it in a fundamentally different way from an artist
> sketching.
>
> 2) when a designer is generating ideas, this is a fundamentally different
> activity from an artist generating ideas
>
> 3) Appropriate theories, techniques and research methods that are of most
> use to designers are fundamentally different to those of artists - even
> when designers and artists superficially appear to be doing the same kinds
> of activity.
>
> 4) That for historical and political reasons designers have been encouraged
> to believe that design activity and art activity are identical when
> designers and artists appear superficially to be working in the same arena -
> e.g. aesthetics, visual communication etc.
>
> I appreciate your message and I'd be delighted to explore ways of improving
> game design.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Best wishes,
> Terry
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> research in Design [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Adam
> Parker
> Sent: Wednesday, 9 June 2010 4:22 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Design - the problem of Art
>
> Hi,
>
> So, I read this in my mail today from Terry that provoked me into action:
>
> It is reasonable to expect a design field to have:
>
>> * theories that accurately predict the behaviour of outcomes of a
>> design
>> * testable theories that accurately predict how particular design
>> elements influence outcomes
>> * theories and methods for accurately evaluating whether a design
>> fulfilled its purposes
>>
>> These theory foundations are essential to Design becoming a discipline and
>> a professional practice rather than an amateur guessing game.
>>
>>
>
> Fine, I can see this viewpoint as being *rational*. So, Design with a Big D
> is about verification and assessment.
>
> One thing I don't get is this, Terry. Tell me, how do you verify and assess
> the unreasonable and irrational wicked problem, in all its nebulous and
> branching majesty, from a rational problem structuring perspective?
>
> The reason being - I did a lot of guessing in my very professional practice.
> I got paid a lot of money to guess well before I became an academic. My
> skill was in getting it right *much* more often than not.
>
> As a practitioner, I remember that my whole mind is more effective than the
> "me" of my conscious awareness, so sure, I engage theory - a lot of it - to
> feed this guessing beast. I learn new techniques to generate possible
> solutions. I learn new ways of explaining why things will work.
>
> But I am always relying on my own awareness to judge where to go, even when
> using reams of user stats. Using this hunch-sense in general sure works
> better in a lot of cases for wickeds than structured planning does. Also,
> budget and time issues can really matter in the professions, and this
> approach can help us move quick. Sure, there are dangers, and structure
> helps to minimise these - but structure should support our practice, not
> chain it.
>
> Our problems in games design are pretty neat. We have to plan game titles so
> that they hit multicultural target markets that are nebulous in their
> definition, ever changing in their relationships, and who play games on a
> variety of hardware that needs to be specified anywhere up to two years in
> the future.
>
> We are subject to vectors, like the shift to Facebook games that occurred
> over the last year or two, that force us to shift our entire practice model
> to cope. And don't get me started on those aspects of our practice, such as
> so-called "serious games", that need to do all this* and* deliver from a
> pedagogical perspective!
>
> Finally, we have to be cool for some of the most demanding teen audiences in
> media-dom, while at the same time providing depth for that
> significantly-sized crew aged over 35 who began their play adventure with
> Pong.
>
> In other words - who moved my goalposts?
>
> If this sounds flaky, you could grab a few mates and try making a design
> validation device that can work with all the incomplete data that is
> generated on these real and shifting problems. I'd use it, and my innate
> sense tells me you'd make a packet. Development time frame might blow out,
> though... ;^)
>
> If you're serious about helping make our practice more rigorous, and I am
> sure you are, then help get some neuropsychs onto working out strong
> cognitive techniques, from a designers' perspective, for enabling consistent
> pathway guessing from sporadic and incomplete data. Or point me to such
> research!
>
> That would be FAR more useful to me and my game design undergraduates,
> rather than belaboring us to follow design science notions of rational
> validation that died with Herbert Simon, or by creating Artificial
> Dichotomies through Capitalisation of Key Terms Like Art and Design. Design
> science might work for engineers, but, peace, we're building dreamscapes
> instead.
>
> Interested in your thoughts, and of those on the list,
>
> Regards,
> Adam
>
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