My formal request to the list-owners continues to be that no one
be removed from the list (unless, of course, they've lost their
ability to remove themselves from the list and desire to do so).
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On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Judy Prince
<[log in to unmask]>wrote:
> I formally request Stephen Vincent and Sharon Brogan, our listmanagers, to
> remove Desmond Swords from this list.
>
> I will continue to formally request his being removed from this list.
>
> Judy
>
> On 25 May 2010 09:54, Desmond Swords <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > It's interesting how things become distorted and the root cause of an
> > episode of group bullying, become lost and unimportant as the group
> bullying
> > their victim shout and holler, as Ken said, damning their victim as some
> > kind of mentally ill sexist-racist-satan - when s/he their victim is
> wholly
> > innocent and it was the bully's lack of creative intelligence and
> paranoia
> > which kicked everything off in the first place.
> >
> > The root of this episode came in the Wimbledon post that was begun by
> > Alison with the express purpose of 'harmless mockery' of Matthew Harvey's
> > first poem on the job; because she thought it wrong such 'poor' poetry
> was
> > 'being given a prominent public space; worse, a corporatised public
> space'.
> >
> > You will notice I am quoting Alsion here, evincing textual evidence; the
> > fundamental process in critical debate. You will notice too I am calm,
> > quiet, using no offensive words, following the rules and guidelines.
> >
> > Indeed, throughout this debate, I have not directed any offensive insults
> > to anyone, though have received a fair bit myself from Laurence and
> Alison,
> > who started the ball rolling after I failed to make clear that my first
> > response to her call for some 'harmnless mockery' of Matthew Harvey's
> forst
> > poem on the job - was merely a first draft of something I was writing for
> > publication elsewhere online, at Alison Flood's guardian books blog
> thread
> > about the very same subject, Matthew Harvey's Wimbledon Poem.
> >
> > The language of my first response, reading it back now; holding in mind
> the
> > fact that if you had known it was a first draft that was 'harmlessly
> > mocking' the Guardian commentators, instead of your very good selves, the
> > ppl with opposite views from your own - would Alison have told me to
> 'fuck
> > myself'; should she have known I was only indulging in a sport she
> herself
> > started, 'harmelss mockery'; of the guardian commentators?
> >
> > This essentially is where the episode kicked off; a harmless mistake on
> my
> > part that brought about an outpouring from Al, who went into, what she
> would
> > say is perfectly acceptable mode of standing up for herself and her
> gender -
> > but another observer could say was everything the bullies here who have
> been
> > demonizing me - reckon I am about.
> >
> > When I explained how the mistake came about, passions where such ppl
> where
> > still angry, I myself responded the exact same way Al had initially done
> > with me, and found I got passed all the rubbish gender arguments, that I
> > personally don't have much truck with; because it seems to me that it is
> > thoser with the most success, arguing most stridently about how bcuz of
> > their gender they were held back by the male system.
> >
> > That's just my own personal belief, I am an unpublished poet, with four
> > sisters, never been divorced or had any bad experiences with women, am
> > totally for equality and beleive that there are plenty of women out there
> > who cynically develop their feminst credentials, as the perfect cover to
> > abuse others in the name of a higher cause. Al told me to 'go fuck'
> myself,
> > and justified it with gender. I have not abused her at all. I even
> > apologized to make peace and because I am not interested in all the
> battles
> > of the eighties and nineties that many younger women artists I meet, feel
> > are over bcuzx equality is here, transparently so.
> >
> > So, this is where the fault line was, a misreading, occassioned by the
> fact
> > I didn't make it clear that my first response to Al's wimbledon post, was
> in
> > fact a piece of creative writing addressing a different audience.
> >
> > I have apologized for this, and do not like being bullied, and am writing
> > bcuz I am not going to be silent whilst others start assasinating my
> > character.
> >
> > There are other women on this list who claim to have been silenced in the
> > past by bullying. It is for those, the ones who where silenced by the
> > bullies, who I am speaking up for.
> >
> > Thanks very much.
> >
>
>
>
> --
> "Ostriches can't be beheaded."
>
> Jeff Hecker, Norfolk VA
>
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