I formally request Stephen Vincent and Sharon Brogan, our listmanagers, to
remove Desmond Swords from this list.
I will continue to formally request his being removed from this list.
Judy
On 25 May 2010 09:54, Desmond Swords <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> It's interesting how things become distorted and the root cause of an
> episode of group bullying, become lost and unimportant as the group bullying
> their victim shout and holler, as Ken said, damning their victim as some
> kind of mentally ill sexist-racist-satan - when s/he their victim is wholly
> innocent and it was the bully's lack of creative intelligence and paranoia
> which kicked everything off in the first place.
>
> The root of this episode came in the Wimbledon post that was begun by
> Alison with the express purpose of 'harmless mockery' of Matthew Harvey's
> first poem on the job; because she thought it wrong such 'poor' poetry was
> 'being given a prominent public space; worse, a corporatised public space'.
>
> You will notice I am quoting Alsion here, evincing textual evidence; the
> fundamental process in critical debate. You will notice too I am calm,
> quiet, using no offensive words, following the rules and guidelines.
>
> Indeed, throughout this debate, I have not directed any offensive insults
> to anyone, though have received a fair bit myself from Laurence and Alison,
> who started the ball rolling after I failed to make clear that my first
> response to her call for some 'harmnless mockery' of Matthew Harvey's forst
> poem on the job - was merely a first draft of something I was writing for
> publication elsewhere online, at Alison Flood's guardian books blog thread
> about the very same subject, Matthew Harvey's Wimbledon Poem.
>
> The language of my first response, reading it back now; holding in mind the
> fact that if you had known it was a first draft that was 'harmlessly
> mocking' the Guardian commentators, instead of your very good selves, the
> ppl with opposite views from your own - would Alison have told me to 'fuck
> myself'; should she have known I was only indulging in a sport she herself
> started, 'harmelss mockery'; of the guardian commentators?
>
> This essentially is where the episode kicked off; a harmless mistake on my
> part that brought about an outpouring from Al, who went into, what she would
> say is perfectly acceptable mode of standing up for herself and her gender -
> but another observer could say was everything the bullies here who have been
> demonizing me - reckon I am about.
>
> When I explained how the mistake came about, passions where such ppl where
> still angry, I myself responded the exact same way Al had initially done
> with me, and found I got passed all the rubbish gender arguments, that I
> personally don't have much truck with; because it seems to me that it is
> thoser with the most success, arguing most stridently about how bcuz of
> their gender they were held back by the male system.
>
> That's just my own personal belief, I am an unpublished poet, with four
> sisters, never been divorced or had any bad experiences with women, am
> totally for equality and beleive that there are plenty of women out there
> who cynically develop their feminst credentials, as the perfect cover to
> abuse others in the name of a higher cause. Al told me to 'go fuck' myself,
> and justified it with gender. I have not abused her at all. I even
> apologized to make peace and because I am not interested in all the battles
> of the eighties and nineties that many younger women artists I meet, feel
> are over bcuzx equality is here, transparently so.
>
> So, this is where the fault line was, a misreading, occassioned by the fact
> I didn't make it clear that my first response to Al's wimbledon post, was in
> fact a piece of creative writing addressing a different audience.
>
> I have apologized for this, and do not like being bullied, and am writing
> bcuz I am not going to be silent whilst others start assasinating my
> character.
>
> There are other women on this list who claim to have been silenced in the
> past by bullying. It is for those, the ones who where silenced by the
> bullies, who I am speaking up for.
>
> Thanks very much.
>
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