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There are examples of these bequests cited for Germany & vicinity in:
*Mixson, James D.*
<http://www.iris.rutgers.edu/uhtbin/cgisirsi/2kAr1l4KPh/ALCOHOL/95940269/18/X100/XAUTHOR/Mixson,+James+D.>
Title: Poverty's proprietors : ownership and mortal sin at the origins
of the Observant Movement / by James D. Mixson.
Publication info: Leiden ; Boston : Brill, 2009.
Tom Izbicki
Megan McLaughlin wrote:
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> It was the custom in most places in France, anyway, for the founder of
> an anniversary to arrange for special food and drink to be offered to
> the clerics who participated in the service (these are the pitancia).
> The idea was that they would pray more fervently if they were well
> fed. In some cases, the founder actually describes the menu, which
> could be quite elaborate. Best, Megan
>
>
>
> Christopher Crockett wrote:
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>> From: Tom Izbicki <[log in to unmask]>
>>
>>
>>> Are we dealing here with Pitances?
>>
>> you mean figuratively (i.e., small, insignificant amounts)?
>>
>>
>> i wouldn't say so.
>>
>> the initial rent mentioned in Udo's charter
>> http://ariadne.org/cc/abbeys/st-peter/CSP391-2.htm
>>
>> is 35s. on the vineyard, to be supplemented, if necessary, by 14s. from
>> Udo’s worldly brother, taken from the market of Chartres, and an
>> additional
>> 10s. (if needed) on the port of Conflans.
>>
>> these are not insubstantial sums, in c. 1150.
>>
>> many gifts to the chapter for simple anniversary masses recorded in the
>> necrology are smaller --20s. or so.
>>
>> but, if you mean "pitances" in some canonical sense, you should axe
>> someone
>> else, cause i'm no scholard in the law.
>>
>> c
>>
>>
>>> Christopher Crockett wrote:
>>>
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>>>> culture
>>>>
>>>> here is the earliest example of an anniversary foundation that i
>>>> know of
>>>>
>> from
>>
>>>> the Chartrain, a charter of Abbot Udo of St. Peter's of Chartres, done
>>>>
>> shortly
>>
>>>> before 1150:
>>>>
>>>> http://ariadne.org/cc/abbeys/st-peter/CSP391-2.htm
>>>>
>>>> property (appropriately enough, "rent" [in kind?] on a vineyard) from
>>>>
>> Udo's
>>
>>>> family property given "...per annos singulos sollempniter celebretur
>>>> anniversarium....ut semper in die anniversarii nostri splendida
>>>> refectio
>>>> paretur fratribus..."
>>>>
>>>> based on this example (and a few others, though none quite so
>>>> specific) i
>>>>
>> have
>>
>>>> always assumed that an "anniversary" notice in a necrology referred to
>>>> something more than a simple mass by the chapter or members of the
>>>> house.
>>>>
>>>> c
>>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>>> Received: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 10:21:49 AM EDT
>>>> From: Christopher Crockett <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: [M-R] anniversarium panis et vini
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
>>>>>
>> culture
>>
>>>>> From: Aaron Hope <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am working on a capitular foundation agreement from the 1460s that
>>>>>>
>>>>> established a yearly anniversary for a donor's soul. The document
>>>>>
>> states
>>
>>>>>
>>>> that
>>>>
>>>>> the dean and chapter of the cathedral promised “librare seu librari
>>>>>
>>>> facere
>>>>
>>>>> in eorum celtario panem et vinum inter presentes, ut in aliis
>>>>>
>> anniversariis
>>
>>>>> panis et vini in eadem ecclesia fundatis est fieri solitum”. My
>>>>>
>> question
>>
>>>>> is: what is meant by the phrase 'anniversary of bread and wine'? Is
>>>>>
>> this
>>
>>>>>
>>>> just
>>>>
>>>>> another way of describing the mass,
>>>>>
>>>>> no, not to my best understanding of the term/institution (and i would
>>>>> appreciate being corrected if i'm wrong here).
>>>>>
>>>>> we have these "anniversary" foundations in the Chartrain region
>>>>> from the
>>>>>
>>>> 12th
>>>>
>>>>> c., becoming more common in the 13th and later (cf. the
>>>>> multiplicity of
>>>>>
>>>> them
>>>>
>>>>> recorded in the Chartres cathedral necrologies, available on
>>>>> http://www.gallica.bnf.fr ).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> in my understanding it's a matter of a sum of money (or property)
>>>>> being
>>>>> bequeathed to the cathedral chapter (in this case) in return for an
>>>>>
>> annual
>>
>>>>> celebration of the death of the deceased.
>>>>>
>>>>> though this most likely did include an anniversary mass, because
>>>>> these
>>>>> "anniversary" entries (rather than the more common simple "obit. X"
>>>>>
>>>> notices)
>>>>
>>>>> seem to have involved more expense, i have always assumed (and
>>>>> it's just
>>>>>
>> an
>>
>>>>> assumption on my part) that they also implied an anniversary meal of
>>>>>
>> some
>>
>>>>> sort.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> or would they distribute unconsecrated bread and wine (as one would
>>>>>>
>> assume
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> from the location mentioned, the 'celtarium', which I understand
>>>>> to be a
>>>>> storeroom or cellar)?
>>>>> yet another reason to see this as more than the foundation of a
>>>>> simple
>>>>> anniversary mass.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> If the latter, was this a common practice?
>>>>>>
>>>>> definitely.
>>>>>
>>>>> at least in the Chartrain.
>>>>>
>>>>> at least in the late 12th-13th + cc.
>>>>>
>>>>> c
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