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Or, to build on what Graham is saying: could the designation of Holywater indicate a mother church [or minster] that retains the right of baptism? Certainly baptism -- where, when, how, by whom -- was a key point of contention during the Reformation.
Elaine
Elaine M. Beretz, Ph.D.
Research Associate
Center for Visual Culture
Bryn Mawr College
101 Merion Avenue
Bryn Mawr, PA 19010-2899
--- On Mon, 2/15/10, Graham Jones <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> From: Graham Jones <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: [M-R] Holywater in place-names
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 3:48 AM
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> Dear All
>
> A quick search of the IHR on-line material reveals 21 cases
> of the word
> 'holywater', almost all from the sixteenth century and
> referring to the
> water in the stoup or in relation to the parish holy water
> clerk.
>
> Though I have never come across it before (just shows my
> ignorance), I
> wonder if these Herefordshire cases refer to land and rents
> in the
> specified places (rather than the townships themselves
> [Massington is a
> farm, I think, rather than a township]) devoted to the
> upkeep of the
> stoups or perhaps towards the payment of the holy water
> clerk. I'm
> thinking obviously of a comparison with land whose income
> was given for
> the upkeep of lights, images, chantries, etc. and/or their
> attendant
> clergy.
>
> Could we be told the actual passages and contexts, please?
> Are they
> testamentary in the main?
>
> Best wishes
>
> Graham
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval
> religious
> culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> On Behalf Of John
> Briggs
> Sent: 14 February 2010 17:01
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> Subject: [M-R] Holywater in place-names
>
> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval
> religion and
> culture
>
> Another query from the English Place-Name List:
>
> "Could anyone suggest a reason for a curious place-name
> usage found in
> documents at the time of the Reformation?
>
> In certain documents written between 1523 and 1547, several
> townships
> surrounding Bromyard and Ledbury in Herefordshire are
> fairly
> consistently cited with the affix "Holywater" or
> "Halywater", usually -
> but not always -- with the main name in the possessive,
> e.g. "Winslow is
> Holywatir" (= "Winslow's Holywater"). They are "Linton
> Holywater",
> "Norton Holywater" and "Winslow Holywater." (near
> Bromyard), and "Leadon
> Holywater.", "Massington Holywater." and Wellington
> Holywater." (near
> Ledbury). Also, in the Valor Ecclesiasticus of 1535 , the
> tithes of "le
> Holywater" are to go to Bromyard. The usage has not been
> found before or
> after this period, and the documents were created at
> different times and
> by different persons during the reign of Henry VIII. Both
> Bromyard and
> Ledbury were collegiate churches, and Bromyard certainly,
> and Ledbury
> possibly, were Anglo-Saxon minsters. The named places were
> townships in
> Bromyard and Ledbury parishes."
>
> John Briggs
>
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