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Would it be possible to post this to the list?
Gratefully,
Linda
Linda S. Olson, Ph.D.
Department of World Languages & Literatures, and
International Programs, Study Abroad Coordinator
Southern Connecticut State University
501 Crescent St. New Haven, CT 06515
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From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Cormack, Margaret Jean [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 11:55 AM
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Subject: Re: [M-R] 'Dominus' in 'Saint...' place-names
medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
Dear Elaine,
For reasons unrelated to the original query, I (and possibly others) would love that bibliography
on property of the saints!
Meg
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From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture on behalf of Elaine Beretz
Sent: Sun 14.2.2010 10:49
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Subject: Re: [M-R] 'Dominus' in 'Saint...' place-names
medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
I'm wondering if the word "dominus" in these cases refers to the "lordship" of the saint; i.e. in the sense of being lord of a "dominium" = the property ceded to -- then controlled by -- the saints and those who minister for them.
Certainly it would fit well in the context of probate, esp. when there is a question of rents/tithes involved.
Have bibliography somewhere about the concept of the "property of the saints." Will be happy to perform an "excavation" in my files, if this seems a fruitful line of inquiry.
Elaine
Elaine M. Beretz, Ph.D.
Research Associate
Center for Visual Culture
Bryn Mawr College
101 Merion Avenue
Bryn Mawr, PA 19010-2899
--- On Sun, 2/14/10, Madeleine Gray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> From: Madeleine Gray <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: [M-R] 'Dominus' in 'Saint...' place-names
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Sunday, February 14, 2010, 8:38 AM
> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of
> medieval religion and culture
> [M-R] 'Dominus' in
> 'Saint...' place-names
>
>
>
>
> At first I thought it might be because neither
> Dyfrig nor Gwenardd was formally canonized - but the
> reference to dominus Petrus in Bristol seem to rule that
> out.
> It's not a
> specifically Welsh usage that I'm aware of,
> anyway.
>
> Maddy
>
>
>
> Dr
> Madeleine Gray
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> From: medieval-religion
> - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture on
> behalf of John Briggs
> Sent: Sat 13/02/2010 11:39 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: [M-R] 'Dominus' in
> 'Saint...' place-names
>
>
>
> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions
> of medieval religion and culture
>
> I've cross-posted this to "Medieval Religion"
> to see if anyone there can throw some light on this. The
> dates in question are 1537 and 1549, so I suggested
> Protestant sensitivity. Another suggestion was influence
> from early French, where dampnedeu is 'lord god'
> (from dominus deus), Dampnemarie is Mary, Dampierre is St.
> Peter.
>
> John Briggs
>
> ---- John Freeman <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> I have come across a few examples in a calendar of 16th
> century Herefordshire probate documents such as this (as
> printed):
>
> William Dusy of Domini Dubritii (referring to St Devereux
> parish)
> John ap Jenckyng of Domini Wenardi (St Weonards parish)
>
> The editor tells me the Latin original was de parochia
> Domini Dubritii etc., which explains the genitive case. The
> normal latinized form of these names was (ecclesia/parochia)
> Sancti Dubritii etc. Saint Dubricius (Welsh Dyfrig), from
> whom Saint Devereux is named, is once referred to as dominus
> Dubritius in the Book of Llandaf, but I haven't come
> across the usage elsewhere in place-names, and wondered
> whether it was just a quirk of the clerk or clerks who wrote
> the documents. There is also mention of a 'David Waythen
> of Domini Petri in Bristolia', presumably St Peter's
> parish in Bristol (PNGl iii, 85).
>
> Has anyone else come across this, or has anyone any
> thoughts of the possible significance (e.g. a Welsh usage)
> -- or is it just elegant variation? I could go through all
> the EPNS volumes, but am taking the lazy way out pro tem!
>
> John Freeman
>
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