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From: Judith Rosenberg <[log in to unmask]>
> isn't saxea camera a stone chamber? Or am I not getting it?
sounds right.
i *said* i wasn't reading closely enough.
still and all, i wonder what the hell that actually *means*.
as can be seen,
http://ariadne.org/cc/abbeys/st-peter/st-peter-eure.jpg
(St. Peter's is the big one on the left; the one up the hill a bit is St.
Aignan's)
the abbey lies very close to the river, and has no crypt --surely the water
table is quite close to the surface (there is a moisture problem visible in
the lower parts of the chapel walls inside the church), and any "stone
chamber" beneath the pavement of the choir would have to be quite small.
and, damp.
i believe that the present tomb of St. G., installed, as J.D. noted, after the
discovery of his relics after the war, is above ground, in or near the
westernmost chapel on the south side of the choir, somewhere around here:
http://ariadne.org/cc/abbeys/st-peter/southsideaisle.jpg
thanks, Judith.
c
> On 1/28/10 11:07 AM, "Christopher Crockett" <[log in to unmask]> wrote,
> among other things:
>
>
> >
> > does the Vita speak of a "stone chamber"?
> >
> > maybe i'm not reading closely enough:
> >
> > Sepultus vero fuit VI. Kalendas Februarij in medio ecclesiĉ nostrĉ
choro, &
> > tanto, vt dictum est, [honorifice sepelitur.] studio atque honorificentia
> > humata fuerunt ipsius sacratissima membra, vt circa ea profundiore terrĉ
loco
> > erecta fuerit non paruĉ amplitudinis saxea camera.
> >
> >> G.'s remains are reported to have been accorded an Elevatio in 1165.
> >
> > [lıabbé M. Bulteau?], ³Historia Inventionis et Miraculorum S.
Gilduini,
> > uno cum prologo, nunc primum edidta,² Analecta bollandiana, I, 1882, pp.
> > 149-177.
> >
> > available on Googlebooks (or from me):
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/ylk6zr4
> >
> >> In 1793, one reads, they were hidden in the church of Champhol
(Eure-et-Loir)
> >
> >
> > site of a priory of St. Peter's from the middle of the 11th c. (given to
the
> > abbey by the Leves family, from which Bishops Godfrey [II] and Goslen of
the
> > first half of the 12th c. hailed).
> >
> > the little church of Champhol, with its quite huge spire,
> >
> >
http://www.communes.com/images/orig/centre/eure-et-loir/champhol_28300/Champho
> > l_34410_L-eglise.jpg
> >
> > is the one on the plain across the valley of the Eure which is visible
from
> > the Bishops' "garden" off the east end of the cathedral.
> >
> > small as it is, it preserves a rather nice 11th c. hemicycle apse above a
> > small crypt, and a very curious, very simple doorway (now bouchée) on
the
> > north side of the exterior of the nave --precious survivals of the 11th c.
in
> > a region which doesn't have many left.
> >
> >> to prevent their profanation in the Revolution; there they were
forgotten
> > until their discovery after a bombing in 1944.
> >
> > http://pagesperso-orange.fr/forcedlanding/champhol.jpg
> >
> > http://pagesperso-orange.fr/forcedlanding/champhol2.jpg
> >
> > http://pagesperso-orange.fr/forcedlanding/champhol1.jpg
> >
> > Champhol, up on the plain of the Beauce, is near a tiny airfield --which
> > happened to be the target of the disastrous air raid in March and May of
1944
> > which went Terribly Wrong ("269 bombes de 250 livres tombés en dehors de
> > l'objectif"), ending up with a few bombs falling on the city, one of
which
> > scored a direct hit on the town library, resulting in the destruction of
over
> > 800 manuscripts:
> >
> > http://pagesperso-orange.fr/forcedlanding/smith9.jpg
> >
> > my understanding is that it "rained" fragments of burned paper and vellum
for
> > hours, all over the city.
> >
> >
> > in the mid-60s of the last century of the last millennium tourists from,
say,
> > Southern Indiana could see that airfield being used to launch gliders,
which
> > sometimes soared quietly over the cathedral, in a wonderfully silent and
> > benign sort to way.
> >
> >
> > From: Dr Jim Bugslag <[log in to unmask]>
> >
> >> There seems to have been quite a close Breton connection at Chartres
during
> > the Middle Ages. In the 13th century, there was a "Breton quarter" in
the
> > town,
> >
> > there are not-infrequent mentions of "bretons" in the charters of the 11th
&
> > 12th cc., and, i believe, of some lieu-dit called "La Brittoniere" (or
> > somesuchlike) near the town of Gallardon, a few miles north of Chartres.
> >
> >> and there was a whole slew of relics of Breton saints in the
cathedral...
> > Most of these relics were reputed to have arrived at Chartres during the
> > Norman invasions, but I've never quite understood why Chartres should
have
> > this strong Breton connection, that certainly transcended the Norman
period.
> >
> >
> > nor have i.
> >
> > perhaps the 9th c. Bretons who fled east formed enough alliances with
families
> > in the chartrain to have lasted into the 11th-13th cc.?
> >
> > doesn't seem likely, does it?
> >
> >> ...the Virgin's Tunic...was enclosed in a reliquary, the Sainte-Chasse,
that
> > was never opened;
> >
> > well, we don't really know for certain that it was "never opened," do we?
> >
> > c
> >
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