medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
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From: "Laura Jacobus" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: 02 December 2009 21:12
Subject: Re: [M-R] position of priest at Mass
> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
>
> Over-simple, I know, but 1215 Lateran Council is a conventional date that
> I've seen bandied around. If you tell your petrologists that the change
> occured around the early 13thC I'm sure they'll be Ok
>
> Laura
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Briggs" <[log in to unmask]>
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> Sent: 02 December 2009 18:12
> Subject: Re: [M-R] position of priest at Mass
>
>
>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
>>
>> It's controversial as well as complex - with some suggestion that the
>> issue was over-simplified for Vatican II :-)
>>
>> Having said that, there is considerable evidence that churches with
>> apsidal east ends had the altar on the chord of the apse. The suggestion
>> is that the clergy sat on a bench around the apse. The change to square
>> east ends in the late 12th & 13th centuries meant that the altar tended
>> to move to the east wall. But any change in the position of the celebrant
>> was presumably much earlier.
>>
>> John Briggs
>>
>> ---- Madeleine Gray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
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>>> Many thanks, Stan. I thought it might be complex - I don't think I have
>>> time to get hold of the book. The article is about the reuse of stone in
>>> a medieval church and is mainly geared to petrologists so I may be able
>>> to blur the issues!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maddy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dr Madeleine Gray
>>>
>>> Reader in History
>>>
>>> School of Education/Ysgol Addysg
>>>
>>> University of Wales, Newport/Prifysgol Cymru, Casnewydd
>>>
>>> Caerleon Campus/Campws Caerllion,Newport/Casnewydd NP18 3QT,
>>> Wales/Cymru
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>>> Tel: +44 (0)1633.432675
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>>>
>>> 'I ask you for help. And all you give me is ...papers!'
>>> (Magda in Gian Carlo Menotti's The Consul)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> History at University of Wales, Newport: http://timezone.newport.ac.uk
>>> <http://timezone.newport.ac.uk>
>>> Gwent County History Association website:
>>> http://gwent-county-history-association.newport.ac.uk
>>> <http://gwent-county-history-association.newport.ac.uk>
>>> Cistercian Way: http://cistercian-way.newport.ac.uk
>>> <http://cistercian-way.newport.ac.uk>
>>>
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>>>
>>> From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious
>>> culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Stan
>>> Metheny
>>> Sent: 02 December 2009 13:05
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>>> Subject: Re: [M-R] position of priest at Mass
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
>>> culture
>>>
>>> A complex question. There is a recent discussion of the history in Uwe
>>> Michael Lang, _Turning towards the Lord: Orientation in liturgical
>>> prayer_. (Ignatius Press, 2005)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stan Metheny
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious
>>> culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Madeleine
>>> Gray
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 3:28 AM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: [M-R] position of priest at Mass
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
>>> culture
>>>
>>> Can someone remind me (writing an article in a hurry for a friend's
>>> journal) - when (roughly) does the priest move from celebrating behind
>>> the altar facing the congregation to celebrating with his back to the
>>> congregation and with the altar against the east wall? I know we
>>> discussed this ages ago and I can't find it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maddy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dr Madeleine Gray
>>>
>>> Reader in History
>>>
>>> School of Education/Ysgol Addysg
>>>
>>> University of Wales, Newport/Prifysgol Cymru, Casnewydd
>>>
>>> Caerleon Campus/Campws Caerllion,
>>>
>>> Newport/Casnewydd NP18 3QT Tel: +44 (0)1633.432675
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 'You may not be able to change the world but at least you can embarrass
>>> the guilty'
>>> (Jessica Mitford)
>>>
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