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Hello Mata,
I still have a vintage copy of an American tabloid called The Globe from
2004 which claims as a headline that the Antichrist will run for
president. And wouldn't you know it: George W. Bush did run. What
might be more interesting to ascertain is the last U.S. presidential
election that *didn't* engender apocalyptic hype. It is, perhaps,
befitting of Obama that he was related to the relatively sophisticated
Joachim of Fiore, rather than, say, the definitely overdone
Nostradamus. Apparently, the origin of newspapers, back in the 17th
century -- and re. the US of A, at the instigation of Quakers -- was
directly related to ferreting out signs of the End Times and apocalyptic
prognostications. The Middle Ages, it would seem, is still, in some
respects, alive and well!
Cheers,
Jim

Mata Kimasitayo wrote:
> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
> culture 
> After reading in The Mediaeval Review the following
>
> Selge, Kurt-Victor, ed. Joachim von Fiore, <i>Psalterium decem
> cordarum</i>. MGH Quellen zur Geistesgeschichte des Mittelalters, bd.
> 20. Hannover: Hahnsche Buchhandlung, 2009. Pp. ccxcvii, 467. Euros
> 75. ISBN: 9783775210201.
>
> which I expect others got in their mailboxes recently too, I was
> discussing
> Joachim with a friend which led me to suggest that it wouldn't surprise me
> if there were a reasonably good Wiki entry sub Joachim (on that see
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joachim_of_Fiore) - I checked but I did find
> something which surprised me, viz.:
>
> 2008 US presidential campaign hoax
>
> Recently, a hoax has been circulating that Barack Obama
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama> referred to Gioacchino da
> Fiore, or Joachim of Fiore, three times in his campaign speeches
> during the 2008 presidential election
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_presidential_election>^[4]
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joachim_of_Fiore#cite_note-3> . He is
> said to have spoken of him as a /master of contemporary civilization/
> who had sought to create a better world. Of course, no citation in any
> actual speech of Obama's quoting or mentioning Joachim has been
> produced. However, there has been renewed popular interest in da
> Fiore. In 2009 Father Raniero Cantalamessa
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raniero_Cantalamessa>, preacher to the
> Pontifical Household
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontifical_Household>, gave a lecture to
> Pope Benedict XVI <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Benedict_XVI> and
> the papal household, restating the Roman Catholic Church's view that
> Gioacchino da Fiore was a heretic. ^[5]
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joachim_of_Fiore#cite_note-4> ^[6]
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joachim_of_Fiore#cite_note-5>
>
> [1- 3 below correspond to 4 -6 above]
>
> 1. *^ <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joachim_of_Fiore#cite_ref-3>*
> "Italy: Obama invited to visit land of monk who inspired him
> <http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/CultureAndMedia/?id=1.0.2442653602>"
> (in English). /AKI/ (Adnkronos International - Italy). 28 August
> 2008.
> http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/CultureAndMedia/?id=1.0.2442653602.
> Retrieved 2009-03-30.
> 2. *^ <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joachim_of_Fiore#cite_ref-4>*
> Owen, Richard (March 27, 2009). "Medieval monk hailed by Barack
> Obama was a heretic, says Vatican
> <http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article5987457.ece>".
> The Times.
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article5987457.ece.
> Retrieved 2009-03-27.
> 3. *^ <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joachim_of_Fiore#cite_ref-5>*
> "Vatican raps Obama medieval mystic
> <http://www.ansa.it/site/notizie/awnplus/english/news/2009-03-27_127338901.html>"
> (in English). ANSA
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenzia_Nazionale_Stampa_Associata>,
> Italy. 2009-03-27.
> http://www.ansa.it/site/notizie/awnplus/english/news/2009-03-27_127338901.html.
> Retrieved 2009-03-27.
>
> Does anyone know know anything about this business, have any insight
> into what it is all about ? It is all news to me & I myself could not
> be more astonished to stumble over this !
>
> Mata
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