Thanks Janet. It wasn't my intention to undermine the work going on at
the institutions you cite. But its a limited spread. Knowing some
researchers in the institutions you mention, I've no doubt about the
'present' you refer to. On my part, I'm referring more to a wider
'temporal [and spatial] discontinuity', as you put it. I was thinking
that by comparison ten years is not a long time compared to the frame
I mentioned (160yrs or so), and when we can mention as part of your
list lesser known institutions, national and international, the
'future' you are experiencing in London will have become the 'present'
for a majority, not a minority. 'Catch-up' and 'ridicule' may well be
hurdles that some still have to overcome. Robert.
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On 11 Dec 2009, at 10:33, Janet McDonnell wrote:
> Dear Robert,
>
> Greetings from the future where what you envisage 'might' happen has
> been going on for well over a decade. I think the temporal
> discontinuity must be your end rather than ours as we at CSM are
> surrounded by the same future here in London .... Goldsmiths, the
> Royal College, Chelsea .. to name but 3. Further afield there's
> Glasgow, Cardiff...........
>
> Catch up? Ridicule? Hmmmm!
>
> Happy Christmas ;-)
>
> Janet
>
> Professor Janet McDonnell
> Central Saint Martins, University of the Arts London, Southampton
> Row, London WC1B 4AP
> tel +44 (0) 207 514 7144
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>
> Hi Gunnar
>
> My take on this is that in future, Schools of Art and Design,
> especially in the UK, will explore more the idea that 'making a film'
> might be undertaken as part of a research degree process, in the sense
> that the 'making' may allow insights that could not be identified
> through other kinds of 'observation'.
>
> In which case, future students will benefit from both the 'film-
> related researcher' and the 'person good at making films' as one and
> the same person. And they may look at this, and continue to be taught
> by, film-makers from a non-academic environment.
>
> This raises another question for me.
>
> I recently posed an issue to immediate colleagues about the parallel
> history of formal Art and Design education in the UK, and
> traditionally University education. It went something like this:
>
> 'I wonder how we might perceive Research in the UK had Art and Design
> been an integral part of the University system as it has developed
> since the 1840s.'
>
> What could Art and Design have contributed to the development of
> Research protocols and debates as it has developed since?
>
> Rather than having to play catch-up, as often seems to be the case.
> Even occasionally be ridiculed, by traditional University subjects,
> for a lack of etiquette and sophistication.
>
> I know some of my colleagues here at Loughborough have explored what
> we know about 'making', through 'making', as part of their PhD. I have
> heard Chris Rust refer to the work of Owain Pedgley, in particular.
>
> But I do like to entertain myself with the idea that Art and Design
> has just simply arrived at this particular party much later than
> expected.
>
> And wearing jeans!
>
> Robert.
>
>
> Robert Harland Lecturer Loughborough University School of Art
> and Design +44 (0)1509 228980 [log in to unmask]
> www.lboro.ac.uk/departments/ac/mainpages/Research/staffpages/harland/harland.htm
>
>
>
>
> On 8 Dec 2009, at 23:00, Swanson, Gunnar wrote:
>
>> If a university wants to teach filmmaking, it may make sense to have
>> students spend some of their time with film researchers but I hope
>> it goes without saying that they need to learn to make films from
>> people who are good at making films (as opposed to people who are
>> good at conducting film-related research.) The attitude toward
>> degrees and worthwhile activities of the School of Communication at
>> ECU is not unlike the attitude of many universities as a whole.
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