But I think in this case superficiality and the loss of the symbolic
dimension is the key. Admittedly most kids get lost in the fantasy world
of television in a quasi-active way, and the aesthetics of television
then is worth exploring. However, watch adolescents watching screens.
There are a certain cohort who do not get lost in front of the
television in a (symbolized) fantasy world but in an idiotic evacuation
of the symbolic. The former we do not have to worry about, the latter we
do. So when adolescents go to the cinema, this latter group are
sometimes just happy to occupied by explosions and car chases, but
equally fascinated by the advertisements. And soon we will ask them to
vote.
rwm
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actually, Herbert, you are right. The kids I know do not simply stare
silently at the screen, you can hear them roar with laughter at times
(anecdotal observation). Compared to adults, they also much more
directly enact the poses, the attitudes, the stories they see on TV
(which makes me wonder -- arrggh -- the ideology debate again..... )
please fill us in on the laughtrack. Being trained in philosophy and
psychonalysis, I remember reading up on laughter and the joke (big
Freudian topic) when I was studying Walter Benjamin. The idea was that
the id and the super-ego merge in a blitz, lighting up like the
Benjaminian allegory, circumventing the register of the symbolic.
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Von: Film-Philosophy Salon im Auftrag von Herbert Schwaab
Gesendet: Fr 14.08.2009 13:43
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Betreff: Re: Hannah Montana / stardom / girls`studies
"I find Zizek instructive, because as they stare vacuously at the screen
the television seems to be doing the enjoying for them. In a sense this
reduces the subject to an experience of what Zizek tags the sinthome (in
The Sublime Object of Ideology I think), a blind gravitation towards, in
this case the repetitive and the banal."
Regards
rwm
Interesting subject, but aren't we a bit too superficial about
television and television aesthetics? Laughtrack is such a complex
matter in the study of television, it is not only indicating passiveness
of the audience but also many forms of involvement, creating some kind
of common ground for the performers and their viewiers. So I find the
adoption of Zizek in this context a bit banal, it gives me no further
insight into the aesthetics of television but sounds more like a
superficial argument on the dangers of television. Whatever experience
are made with anyones doughters, I don't think it is right to suggest
that they are staring 'vacuously' at the screen or 'blindly gravitating'
towards something. It is an object of endless fascination and raises
many question for film philosophy, that children can become absorbed by
such things, that there is, as some postings suggests, a popular culture
for children which transgresses the boundaries of nations, as in the
case with Japanese Anime's popularity all over the world. Children's
television culture is still an unknown territory for us.
Herbert
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