Dear Ben,
The ABMS/ ABIM exam system tests for knowledge not skills. Even if they
measured skills they would have to limit to one or few areas that can
never match the complexity of clinical practice.
One specialty that got into trouble because of the proliferation of
information, unrealistic expectation and constant scrutiny is Gen.
Medicine. This has resulted in shrinking interest and enrollment by
medical students for Gen. Med ( despite visions of Oslerian
professionalism and bed side skills) and exodus to other areas by
individuals trained in Gen. Medicine. Shrinking pay scale, diminishing
respect by other subspecialty and insurmountable pressures by public and
press are also close contributors. By the way this group of physicians
are superbly trained to dissect any article and are often the trainers
in any EBM sessions/ workshops. This is not EBM's problem though.
Several of these issues could not be foreseen.
Hence, just because you know to read an article doesn't mean you will
not get a consult. There more on the plate than critical appraisal and
filling the blanks of an EBM worksheet. It might be considered quixotic
in a way to just read an article and acting out on your own. EBM however
does make someone catch up to any new thing rapidly, the application of
the article effectively however needs another 3-5 years of training.
Amit Ghosh
Mayo Clinic, Rochester
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Benjamin
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Subject: Re: EBM and increasing requests for the use of consultants...
No doubt what you described is likely one of the reasons for increasing
use of referrals. However, our (educational) organizational structure is
such that we are still insisting on individual physicians proficiency
(e.g. typically in the US you need at least 30-50 annual CME, take your
specialty exam every 7-10 years depending on your specialty etc). So,
tremendous effort goes into building your individual knowledge base in
order to refer your patient to a number of other consultants?
ben
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Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 2:41 AM
To: Djulbegovic, Benjamin
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Subject: Re: EBM and increasing requests for the use of consultants...
I am not sure whether the number of referrals did increase in Italy over
the last 10 years, but they certainly did enormously over the last 20 or
30 years.
As you suggests, this has more to do with the way the health industry
works that with the availability of systematic reviews and guidelines.
Medicine is less and less seen as an individual business and more as a
collective, interprofessional teamwork.
The reason is probably the same that lead to the success of EBM: the
enormous increase in information to be managed and of needed skills.
If a physician has to care for many patients with a large variety of
possible disorders, she cannot get enough expertise on most of them to
be confident to treat them, even if she has the time of reading some
relevant guidelines: you don't get skills by reading a guideline. Of
course, no conscientious physician would treat a patient just based on a
quick browsing through a guideline and a few checklists, without having
a good confidence of her skills and understanding of the underlying
condition.
Thus, IMHO guidelines are more likely to be useful to improve the
practice of different teams, than to be used by every single physician
of each team.
regards,
Piersante Sestini
Djulbegovic, Benjamin wrote:
>
> Dear all
>
> It has been my impression that the rise of EBM (along with
> proliferation of systematic reviews (SR) and guidelines, critical
> attitudes toward health care claims etc) has not reduced the requests
> for the use of experts (consultants). Paradoxically, the last decade
> has seen ever increasing use of consultants. In the US, at least, an
> explanation for this trend in ever increasing requests for "consults"
> is related to the incentives to see more and more patients with the
> consequence that doctors do not have time to look up the guidelines,
> SRs etc. As a result, doctors just ask for yet another consult. I
> wonder what has been trend in other countries? Do physicians elsewhere
> also consult more often than, say, 10 years ago? If yes, why is this
> so? What is the purpose of developing all these guidelines if only
> experts will use them (and who will typically deviate from the
> guidelines)? What is an average number of physicians that the patients
> typically see?
>
> I would appreciate some thoughts on this issue, which is actually not
> a trivial one as it may appear on the first blush.
>
> Thanks
>
> ben
>
> Benjamin Djulbegovic, MD, PhD
>
> Professor of Medicine and Oncology
>
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