I not only agree but affirm.
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From: "Halvard Johnson" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: snap; sort of
>I couldn't agree more with your disagreement, Doug.
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> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Douglas Barbour
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>> I couldnt disagree more.
>>
>> Understanding what youre doing, yes, but making something that you can
>> paraphrase? The poem says what it says; if it could be said another way,
>> then there's been a failure somewhere...
>>
>> & that's mine...
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> On 27-Aug-09, at 9:09 AM, Judy Prince wrote:
>>
>> 'Tis a teaching device, my dear Doug. If Andrew can figure out what
>> he's
>>> trying to say, then he will be ready to write the poem. If he cannot
>>> figure
>>> out what he's trying to say, then he can re-surname himself Ashbery or
>>> Stoppard [if he's gonna tackle plays, natch] and possibly make as big
>>> bucks
>>> as they do [possibly, I say].
>>> A magic poem-writer will always give us mystery, multi-meanings, layers
>>> to
>>> delight in picking apart and picking up. This has nothing to do with
>>> poem-writers understanding what they're saying. A curly-crispy frilly
>>> or
>>> fat thick edge of gigantic surprise delivers a wallop to poem-writers
>>> whilst
>>> and after they write the poems, sometimes years afterwards. The rather
>>> more
>>> self-conscious [and during writing] 'surprises' tend to be rather less
>>> effectively magical.
>>>
>>> My story and I'm sticking to it.
>>>
>>> genius critic with awesome eyes Judy
>>>
>>> 2009/8/27 Douglas Barbour <[log in to unmask]>
>>>
>>> C'mon Judy, 'paraphrase'? That's the last thing any good poem wants or
>>>> needs, surely...?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A little mystery in art is a good thing, I think...
>>>>
>>>> Doug
>>>> On 27-Aug-09, at 7:07 AM, Judy Prince wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Now make it clear to me what you're saying; i.e., paraphrase your poem.
>>>>
>>>>> Other folk may see immediately your point[s], but I don't see any
>>>>> except
>>>>> little unconnected bits.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Douglas Barbour
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>>>> Latest books:
>>>> Continuations (with Sheila E Murphy)
>>>> http://www.uap.ualberta.ca/UAP.asp?LID=41&bookID=664
>>>> Wednesdays'
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>>>> http://abovegroundpress.blogspot.com/2008/03/new-from-aboveground-press_10.html
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>>>> There are as many fools in the world as there are people.
>>>>
>>>> Sigmund Freud
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>> Douglas Barbour
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>> Latest books:
>> Continuations (with Sheila E Murphy)
>> http://www.uap.ualberta.ca/UAP.asp?LID=41&bookID=664
>> Wednesdays'
>>
>> http://abovegroundpress.blogspot.com/2008/03/new-from-aboveground-press_10.html
>>
>> There are as many fools in the world as there are people.
>>
>> Sigmund Freud
>>
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