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Thanks, but what I´m looking for would be liturgical material (specifically a historia) for the feast of St. Ambrose, supposedly composed by Gregory.
Meg
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Meg,
I found this at newadvent and wonder if it could possibly have anything to do with your query:
The Office of the Dead has been attributed at times to St. Isidore, to St. Augustine, to St. Ambrose, and even to Origen <http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11306b.htm> . There is no foundation for these assertions. In its present form, while it has some very ancient characteristics, it cannot be older than the seventh or even eighth century. Its authorship is discussed at length in the dissertation of Horatius de Turre, mentioned in the bibliography. Some writers attribute it to Amalarius, others to Alcuin <http://www..newadvent.org/cathen/01276a.htm> (see Batiffol, "Hist. du Brév.", 181-92; and for the opposing view, Bäumer-Biron, "Hist. du Brév.", II, 37). These opinions are more probable, but are not as yet very solidly established. Amalarius speaks of the Office of the Dead, but seems to imply that it existed before his time ("De Eccles. officiis", IV, xlii, in P.L., CV, 1238). He alludes to the "Agenda Mortuorum" contained in a sacramentary, but nothing leads us to believe that he was its author. Alcuin <http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01276a.htm> is also known for his activity in liturgical <http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09306a.htm> matters, and we owe certain liturgical <http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09306a.htm> compositions to him; but there is no reason for considering him the author of this office (see Cabrol in "Dict. d'archéol. et de liturgie", s.v. Alcuin <http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01276a.htm> ). In the Gregorian Antiphonary <http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01579a.htm> we do find a mass and an office in agenda mortuorum, but it is admitted that this part is an addition; a fortiori this applies to the Gelasian. The Maurist <http://www.newadvent..org/cathen/10069b.htm> editors of St. Gregory are inclined to attribute their composition to Albinus and Etienne of Liège <http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09236a.htm> (Microl., lx). But if it is impossible to trace the office and the mass in their actual form beyond the ninth or eighth century, it is notwithstanding certain that the prayers <http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12345b.htm> and a service for the dead existed long before that time. We find them in the fifth, fourth, and even in the third and second century. Pseudo-Dionysius <http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05013a.htm> , Sts. Gregory of Nyssa <http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07016a.htm> , Jerome <http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08341a.htm> , and Augustine, Tertullian <http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14520c.htm> , and the inscriptions in the catacombs <http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03417b.htm> afford a proof <http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12454c.htm> of this (see Burial, III, 76; PRAYERS FOR THE DEAD <http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04653a.htm> ; Cabrol, "La prière pour les morts" in "Rev. d'apologétique", 15 Sept., 1909, pp. 881-93).
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From: Cormack, Margaret Jean <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: [M-R] office of St. Ambrose - Gregory the Great
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Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 2:46 PM
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Greetings all,
I wonder if anyone knows of an office of St. Ambrose attributed, rightly or wrongly, to Gregory
the Great?
Meg
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