Oh my god I've blown my cover. I knew there was a reason the CIA
turned down my application.
At 04:01 PM 6/1/2009, you wrote:
>It ain't tacit anymore.
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>Hal
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>On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Mark Weiss <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> > My practice: I don't consider web publication as the same category as print
> > publication, so I just submit. Someday someone may complain. Till then,
> > that's my tacit decision.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > At 11:24 AM 6/1/2009, you wrote:
> >
> >> The whole issue of whether print media poetry editors consider various
> >> forms of on line appearance to be "previous publication" is very
> >> confused, and in general editors have done little to clarify it.
> >> Most submission guidelines simply specify "previously unpublished."
> >> But there's no common sense or generally accepted answer to whether
> >> "previously published" includes internet publication, since there's
> >> no common sense or generally accepted definition of what "internet
> >> publication" is. For instance, a poem might appear on the internet:
> >>
> >> 1) in an email sent by the poet to an individual
> >>
> >> 2) in an email sent to an email dist list maintained on the poet's email
> >> account
> >>
> >> 3) in an email sent to a centrally maintained email dist list which is
> >> not archived anywhere
> >>
> >> 4) in an email sent to a centrally maintained email dist list the
> >> archive of which is only available to registered members
> >>
> >> 5) in an email sent to a centrally maintained email dist list, the
> >> archive of which is not indexed by Google but is available to anyone
> >> who knows where to look for it (like poetryetc)
> >>
> >> 6) in an email sent to a centrally maintained email dist list, the
> >> archive of which is indexed by Google so that anyone can find the poem
> >> by a Google author or title search
> >>
> >> 7) on an internet poetry web site where anyone can post their poems
> >> (like poemhunter.com, which is a particularly good example of the
> >> uncertainty, since that site has characteristics of both an on line
> >> anthology and an on line workshop)
> >>
> >> 8) on the poet's own personal web site
> >>
> >> 9) on someone else's hobbyist literary web site
> >>
> >> 10) on a formally edited on line poetry magazine web site unconnected
> >> with any print magazine
> >>
> >> 11) on the web site of a print magazine (while not being included in
> >> the print version)
> >>
> >> 12) on a web site of any one of the types mentioned above that was
> >> taken off line five years ago, so that the poem is no longer available
> >> on the internet
> >>
> >> 13) any combination of the above
> >>
> >> 14) other situations I haven't thought of
> >>
> >> Which of the above constitute "previous publication on the internet?"
> >> Almost no one, I think, would include 1) or 2), almost everyone
> >> would include 10) and 11), and there would varying degrees of
> >> disagreement about the rest.
> >>
> >> If you ask print media poetry editors about this, they will usually
> >> just say glibly, "If it's on the internet, it's been published,"
> >> because that's the easy answer to a messy question and since they get
> >> so many poems anyway, they're glad to have one more category to
> >> summarily weed out. This means that poets who want to submit poems
> >> to print journals need to keep those poems off the internet while they
> >> are being considered by those print journals; and since response times
> >> are typically measured in months, and many poems are only finally
> >> accepted for publication after being submitted to a series of print
> >> journals, this could easily mean keeping them off the internet for a
> >> year or more.
> >>
> >> I suspect many poets either tacitly follow their private definitions
> >> of what constitutes "internet publication" when submitting to print
> >> media -- "the guidelines say 'no previous publication' and this has
> >> been on poemhunter but I don't have to mention that because that's not
> >> really publication" -- or else look on this issue as one more reason
> >> not to deal with the humiliating gauntlet of "submission" (what a
> >> wonderfully albeit unconsciously apt word for it!) to print journals
> >> and to just put everything on the internet themselves in the first
> >> place.
> >>
> >> --
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> >>
> >> Jon Corelis http://jcorelis.googlepages.com/joncorelis
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> >> ===============================================
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> >
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