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Hal
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On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Mark Weiss <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> My practice: I don't consider web publication as the same category as print
> publication, so I just submit. Someday someone may complain. Till then,
> that's my tacit decision.
>
> Mark
>
>
> At 11:24 AM 6/1/2009, you wrote:
>
>> The whole issue of whether print media poetry editors consider various
>> forms of on line appearance to be "previous publication" is very
>> confused, and in general editors have done little to clarify it.
>> Most submission guidelines simply specify "previously unpublished."
>> But there's no common sense or generally accepted answer to whether
>> "previously published" includes internet publication, since there's
>> no common sense or generally accepted definition of what "internet
>> publication" is. For instance, a poem might appear on the internet:
>>
>> 1) in an email sent by the poet to an individual
>>
>> 2) in an email sent to an email dist list maintained on the poet's email
>> account
>>
>> 3) in an email sent to a centrally maintained email dist list which is
>> not archived anywhere
>>
>> 4) in an email sent to a centrally maintained email dist list the
>> archive of which is only available to registered members
>>
>> 5) in an email sent to a centrally maintained email dist list, the
>> archive of which is not indexed by Google but is available to anyone
>> who knows where to look for it (like poetryetc)
>>
>> 6) in an email sent to a centrally maintained email dist list, the
>> archive of which is indexed by Google so that anyone can find the poem
>> by a Google author or title search
>>
>> 7) on an internet poetry web site where anyone can post their poems
>> (like poemhunter.com, which is a particularly good example of the
>> uncertainty, since that site has characteristics of both an on line
>> anthology and an on line workshop)
>>
>> 8) on the poet's own personal web site
>>
>> 9) on someone else's hobbyist literary web site
>>
>> 10) on a formally edited on line poetry magazine web site unconnected
>> with any print magazine
>>
>> 11) on the web site of a print magazine (while not being included in
>> the print version)
>>
>> 12) on a web site of any one of the types mentioned above that was
>> taken off line five years ago, so that the poem is no longer available
>> on the internet
>>
>> 13) any combination of the above
>>
>> 14) other situations I haven't thought of
>>
>> Which of the above constitute "previous publication on the internet?"
>> Almost no one, I think, would include 1) or 2), almost everyone
>> would include 10) and 11), and there would varying degrees of
>> disagreement about the rest.
>>
>> If you ask print media poetry editors about this, they will usually
>> just say glibly, "If it's on the internet, it's been published,"
>> because that's the easy answer to a messy question and since they get
>> so many poems anyway, they're glad to have one more category to
>> summarily weed out. This means that poets who want to submit poems
>> to print journals need to keep those poems off the internet while they
>> are being considered by those print journals; and since response times
>> are typically measured in months, and many poems are only finally
>> accepted for publication after being submitted to a series of print
>> journals, this could easily mean keeping them off the internet for a
>> year or more.
>>
>> I suspect many poets either tacitly follow their private definitions
>> of what constitutes "internet publication" when submitting to print
>> media -- "the guidelines say 'no previous publication' and this has
>> been on poemhunter but I don't have to mention that because that's not
>> really publication" -- or else look on this issue as one more reason
>> not to deal with the humiliating gauntlet of "submission" (what a
>> wonderfully albeit unconsciously apt word for it!) to print journals
>> and to just put everything on the internet themselves in the first
>> place.
>>
>> --
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>>
>> Jon Corelis http://jcorelis.googlepages.com/joncorelis
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