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Dear George,
AL = (province of) Alessandria (Piemont).
Martin
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> Is it possible that AL is an abbreviation of Alto Adige (= Sudtirol)?
>
> On Apr 17, 2009, at 8:22 AM, John Dillon wrote:
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>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
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>> On Friday, April 17, 2009. at 7:53 am, christopher crockett wrote:
>>
>>> From: John Dillon <[log in to unmask]>
>>>
>>>> Tortona (AL)
>>>
>>>> Sezzadio (AL)
>>>
>>>> Castelletto d'Orba (AL)
>>>
>>> what's "(AL)"?
>>>
>>> none of these places show up in my gazetteer of Alabama.
>>
>> A slightly longer version of that first quote provides important
>> context:
>>> early bishop of Tortona (AL) in Piedmont.
>>
>> While it's true that part of Alabama is in the North American
>> Piedmont, it's unlikely that any town in Alabama had a bishop quite
>> as early as the fourth century. As a guess, I'd say that these are
>> places in the Italian region of Piedmont and that AL is an
>> abbreviation for one of the latter's provinces. See the key here:
>> http://home.no.net/lotsberg/data/italia/legenda.html
>>
>> The number of letters in Roman alphabet being fairly small, it is
>> not surprising that there should be correspondences between two-
>> letter abbreviations for Italian provinces and two-letter
>> USAmerican postal codes. Other examples that come to mind are CA
>> (Cagliari/California), CT (Catania/Connecticut), ME (Messina/
>> Maine), MI (Milano/Michigan), OR (Oristano/Oregon), PA (Palermo/
>> Pennsylviania), and TN (Trento/Tennessee). The dissimilarities or
>> incomplete correspondences between places signified by the Italian
>> and the USAmerican members of these pairs are sometimes a source of
>> mild amusement.
>>
>>
>>>> St-Ayoul at today's Provins (Seine-et-Marne) in Île-de-France
>>>
>>> 20km. north of Sens, not then, and not now in the Ile-de-France.
>>
>> Ah, but Seine-et-Marne _is_ a _département._ in today's _région Île-
>> de-France_. See:
>> http://encyclopedia.farlex.com/Ile-de-France
>> http://www.sifex.co.uk/region_details.asp?Regionid=16
>> or here (scroll down to 'Repères administratifs'):
>> http://tinyurl.com/c65c64
>>
>>
>> This exchange affords an opportunity to correct an omission in my
>> post. I had written:
>>> 6) Robert of Molesme (d. 1111). We know about R., the founder of
>>> Cîteaux, chiefly from early accounts of the rise of the Cistercian
>>> Order.
>>
>> That should have read: 'chiefly from his twelfth-century Vita by a
>> monk of Molesme (BHL 7265) and from early accounts of the rise of
>> the Cistercian Order.'
>>
>> Best again,
>> John Dillon
>>
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