medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
In the interests of historical perspective, note the following coin images:
From the year 41/42 CE, in Roman Palestine (Herod Agrippa)
http://www.coinarchives.com/a/lotviewer.php?LotID=220979&AucID=317&Lot=125
From the early 3rd century CE, presumably a processional in the Roman
East (Emesa)
http://www.wildwinds.com/coins/sear5/s7545.html
From mid 3rd CE, also associated with the conical stone of Emesa,
inside the temple
http://www.wildwinds.com/coins/ric/uranius_antoninus/_emesa_AE34_BMC_24.jpg
Bob Kraft, UPenn
Nancy Spies wrote:
> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
> I don't think the argument of "umbrellas started because of rain" is a
> truly valid one. There are, and were, many cultures in the world that
> never use/used umbrellas, using instead clothing with hoods, capes, etc.
> Nancy
>
>
>
> In a message dated 10/31/2008 2:17:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
> culture
>
> Yeah but, yeah but, yeah but... it might have begun as nothing
> more than a
> parasol (or an unbrella or other defence against rain) against the
> sun and
> became a Ceremonial Prop in Due Course. Couldn't it?
>
> Henk
>
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> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Namens Christopher Crockett
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> Onderwerp: Re: [M-R] Tintinabulae in Chartrain Pilgrims' Badges?
> [<saints of
> the day 21. October]
>
> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
> culture
>
> From: Henk 't Jong <[log in to unmask]>
>
> > IMO it's just a parasol, due to the warm climate, the amount of
> clothing a
> pope wore and because as from the 12th c onwards popes became as
> important
> as emperors it became a sign of great ceremonial worth.
>
>
> i doubt if, in actual practice, it had anything at all to do with
> climate,
> much less clothes being worn by those beneath it.
>
> there is a beautiful scene --which i can't find on the web, of
> course-- in
> some recent move about Tibet (note the warm climate) which has a
> very long
> shot of a monastic procession, in the middle distance.
>
> the line of monks snakes its way through the landscape, and is
> punctuated by
> a
> parasol near the front of the line.
>
> this ceremonial apparatus works quite well to say "HERE! Here is
> the Center
> of
> this Sacred Procession!"
>
> "shade" has little or nothing to do with the matter.
>
> beneath the parasol might be an important personage, or an
> important object
> (e.g., a reliquary) or both"
>
> http://www.ayukusala.org/2046.jpg
>
> it serves the same purpose as any canopy over a sacred object
> being carried
>
> http://rolfgross.dreamhosters.com/Nepal-GE/RatoMasyendranathProcessionBugama
> ti.jpg
>
> yeah, it keeps it out of the weather, but it also --and, imHo, most
> important-- it served as a distinctive *sign* of "Where the Action
> Is,"
> expanding and focusing the same idea which is behind carrying
> flags and
> banners
>
> http://www.gotuzzoworkshops.com/webpictures/Ceriana/CerianaProcession.JPG
>
> http://img2.travelblog.org/Photos/16938/74773/t/452670-Procession-0.jpg
>
> http://rodegglestone.co.uk/travelogue/procession1.jpg
>
> http://tibet.prm.ox.ac.uk/photo_1998.285.546.1.html
>
> http://www.gutenberg.org/files/19534/19534-h/images/fig008.jpg
>
> whatever is important in this procession is beneath that black
> canopy near
> the
> back of this image:
>
> http://tibetindiafoundation.org/a1.jpg
>
> otherwise, it's just a bunch of jerks walking down a road:
>
> http://www.fwbo-news.org/uploaded_images/Procession-722671.jpg
>
> http://www.nationalpost.com/related/topics/602687.bin?size=404x272
>
> or down a mountainside:
>
> http://www.tibetheritagefund.org/media/mediablog/image/lehbudpurnim_8799.jpg
>
>
> as opposed to : "The Main Guy is Here"
>
> http://ngb.csac.anthropology.ac.uk/Miniatures/ngbphotos_m/R_proc3.jpg
>
> http://www.tribuneindia.com/2008/20080311/him1.jpg
>
> http://tibet.prm.ox.ac.uk/photos/opt/400/2001.59.1.69.1-O.jpg
>
> http://k43.pbase.com/u42/msallen/large/34298335.ShotonMonksatTopofThangka_22
> 67.jpg
>
> http://www.kagyuoffice.org/0512Varanasi_025.jpg
>
> http://www.sccs.swarthmore.edu/users/01/cabrad/pics/monks1.jpg
>
> http://www.aboutcirc.com/shrine.jpg
>
> whatever.
>
> >And the parasolbearer became an important dignitary.
>
> as was the "Flag Carrier" [i forget the latin] of the Chapter of
> Chartres
> Cathedral.
>
> >I bet emperors and kings had parasols worn above them in warm
> countries.
>
> and any emperor or king who was worth speaking of in colder
> climates had
> one,
> too.
>
> c
>
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