medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
John Dillon wrote:
> On Sunday, October 12, 2008, at 5:27 pm, John Briggs wrote:
>> John Dillon wrote:
>>> On Sunday, October 12, 2008 4:19 pm, John Briggs wrote:
>>>
>>>> Deposition of St Wilfrid [What happened to him? Was he struck off
>>>> for being an Anglican?]
>>>
>>> Moved in the RM of 2001 from 12. October to 24. April. According to
>>> Alan Thacker's entry on W. in the ODNB, his feast on 24. April is
>>> older than than the one on 12. October and probably corresponds
>>> to his actual _dies natalis_.
>>
>> 24 April is his Translation feast.
>
> You're using the present tense. Was 24. April always W.'s
> Translation feast? If so, what are the proofs?
When I use the present tense, I am generally referring to the end of the
Middle Ages. As far as I can tell, the April feast was the translation feast
in the 12th century. I can't find a pre-conquest York calendar.
> Here's what Thacker says:
> "In pre-conquest England, Wilfrid was commemorated by two feasts, 12
> October and 24 April. In 709 neither date was a Thursday, the
> death-day which Stephen of Ripon expressly says was kept as Wilfrid's
> feast. Although the October date has traditionally been regarded as
> the main commemoration, marking Wilfrid's death or deposition, the
> April feast is in fact earlier—it alone occurs in the eighth- and
> ninth-century calendars; 24 April was a Thursday in 710, and is
> therefore probably the date of Wilfrid's death. The emphasis on the
> October feast perhaps developed because that in April was likely to
> conflict with Lent and Easter."
I'm not convinced - Thacker seems to be avoiding the "translation feast"
issue. (The implication is that the April feast was also the translation
feast in pre-conquest times.) Also, Eddie Stephen was unusually credulous -
what does Bede say?
John Briggs
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