Hi Jurgen,
you wrote:
"Again my question was, is there a limit to the discourse model if we think
about design? "
It seems that everybody is running on legitimating Design as Discourse
instead of pointing out positions where Design as Discourse is not
defendable (your original question). So here goes another suggestion: If we
are talking about Foucaultean Discourse, its not defendable to speak about
Design as Discourse unless you are prepared to do a real Archaeology of
Knowledge (as Alan quite well put it) about Design. Unless you are prepared
to deal with real history and not with versions of history, go to the end of
the palimpsest, you will never do a real Archaeology of Knowledge and
consequently Design as Discourse is nothing but a blague, une grand mot. And
Juris, I'm not being ironic, I'm just having fun.
Cheers,
Eduardo
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From: "Jurgen Faust" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: design as discourse
Hi All,
thanks,.. that is a great discussion, and the literature Gavin and
Klaus had been pointing out I already know.
Even in Foucault's original work, discourse is not constrained by
rhetoric, when we look at his
interpretation of a painter having a discourse in-front of the canvas.
A good work about the visual
(language) discourse is Deleuze (Foucault). A great article written
about this aspect comes from John
Rajchman, ( "Foucault's Art of Seeing," October, Vol. 44 (Spring,
1988), pp. 88-117). As mentioned
before from Gavin, the work of Fairclough and Gee is a great resource
to see how these models can work.
I recently researched the change between the various phases in the design
process, how the
discourse 'strata' or textual matter changes, images text, speech etc.
during the design process and how the order of discourse changes as well
(Fairclough).
Again my question was, is there a limit to the discourse model if we
think about design? Does somebody know a paper written which focuses on
that isssue?
That was my original question and I would like to come back to it.
Thanks to all,
Jurgen
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