medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
This is where it gets interesting & if you have your eye on a particular
saint, you should grab them early!
The adult human has 206 bones but the newborn has 300.
But skulls are more of a problem. Does anyone know the /Baudolino/
explanation?
DW
Ms B M Cook wrote:
> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
> Yes, but the human body has more than one bone in it! (Someone clever
> will tell us all how many!) Have you seen the bones ? Does LA have an
> ENTIRE skeleton or only *some* bones ? Certainly in the MA skellies
> were disarticulated and relics sent to different places. If a church
> has "the relics" of St X it does not follow that they have the WHOLE
> of St X. Portions may be retained by the donor church or donated
> elsewhere.
>
>
> And not just the MA
>
> A few years back, the (Anglican) cathedral of St Albans aka St Albans
> Abbey where the mediaeval Shrine of St Alban has been lovingly
> restored, were sent (IIRC) a scapula from the skelly which is claimed
> to be St Alban's by St Panteleon's (Roman Catholic) church in Koln as
> a friendly gift. The Anglican High Church faction in St Albans were
> thrilled ( a lovely, ecumenical gesture); the Protestant Evangelical
> wing averted their faces in considerable embarrassment (popish
> abominations !!!) . The Church of England (used to be able to ?) take
> both viewpoints in her stride. But BOTH St Albans and St Panteleon's
> can claim to "have the relics of Saint Alban."
>
> The history of the whereabouts of Saint Alban's bones is a complex and
> multi-faceted one, but it would NOT be impossible that the bones which
> were in the mediaeval shrine at St Albans at the time of the
> Reformation were smuggled to St Panteleon's in some recusant's baggage
> to join the rest of the skelly which had been there since the days of
> the Empress Theophanou; and the skelly which Henry VIII ceremoniously
> trashed was that of a stray tramp substituted for just that purpose.
> The monks had plenty of warning: St Albans was almost the last abbey
> to be dissolved.
>
> The point I am making is that the word "relics" can just as easily
> refer to one or more bones as to a complete skeleton. It is a case of
> the part representing the whole.
>
>
> See you at Leeds anyone ?
>
> Brenda.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Marjorie Schulenburg <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
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> *Sent:* Saturday, July 05, 2008 5:12 PM
> *Subject:* [M-R] saints of the day July 3
>
> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
> culture
>
> Sorry for the mistake. It should look like this.
>
>
>
> The discussion of Leo II under today’s saints mentions the
>
> church of Santa Bibiana which he restored and offers several
>
> excellent photos of today’s church. Outside sources on the church of
>
> Santa Bibiana in Rome claim, interestingly, that her relics are
> situated
>
> under the altar with those of her mother and sister; however,
>
> St. Vibiana’s in Los Angeles also claimed to have Vibiana (Bibiana’s)
>
> relics (a papal gift)] and at one point displayed them above the
> main
>
> altar. Now they are relegated to the crypt chapel of Our Lady of
> Angels
>
> Cathedral in LA. An interesting discrepancy. According to my
> Catholic
>
> sources, there is only one saint.
>
> Marjorie Schulenburg
>
> http://www.cathedralsofcalifornia.com/?tag=st-vibiana
>
>
>
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