That's very pure & high-minded of you, David. I intend irony, not sarcasm,
here -- I half-agree with you, in fact. I just don't think such withdrawals
from the social hurleyburley are entirely possible. That first person who
scratched a poem or picture on a tree or stone wanted somebody -- maybe God
-- to come by and notice. And approve.
jd
On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 7:35 PM, David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
> And then the consequence becomes that online publications become
> subject to accreditation and the requirement to be a name, and so
> poetry becomes a monument to self-regarding creative-work, eh?
>
> I'll stick to my memory, and speaking, it's where it all began. With
> marks on trees.
>
> 2008/6/29 M. Borges Accardi <[log in to unmask]>:
> > I definitely think grants and such will catch up to accepting online
> publication.? Just not right now.? . .
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: TheOldMole <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Sent: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 10:17 am
> > Subject: Re: The lyric poem - what be its current fate?
> >
> >
> > I would say this can't last forever. Online-only magazines like Cortland
> Review have lineups as prestigious as any print magazine.?
> > ?
> > I always send out a email to a pretty large mailing list when I have a
> poem published online, and most of those actually go to the site and read my
> work, and many of them go on to read more of the virtual journal, so at
> least a tiny enlargement of the poetry audience is created.?
> > ?
> > M. Borges Accardi wrote:?
> >> For whatever it is worth,?places like Guggenheim do not consider
> "virtual" publication as publication credits.? Perhaps things will change in
> time, but, for now, this is the case for many grants and residencies.?
> Probably true too for academic publishing??
> >>?
> >>?
> >> -----Original Message-----?
> >> From: Anny Ballardini <[log in to unmask]>?
> >> To: [log in to unmask]
> >> Sent: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 7:56 am?
> >> Subject: Re: The lyric poem - what be its current fate??
> >>?
> >>?
> >>?
> >> Opps,?
> >> I think that Internet publishing is a publication, the fact that it is?
> >> "virtual" instead of "real" does not affect me that much. It even
> partly?
> >> appeases my guilty feelings for the destruction of trees to buy paper
> and?
> >> stack it in my library bursting new books I have not had the time to
> read?
> >> until now. And I do read a lot on the net, instead.?
> >>?
> >>?
> >>?
> >> On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 9:03 PM, Joseph Duemer <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:?
> >>?
> >>> Ed, ouch! I guess the internet is a "literary catheter" & you're right
> I?
> >>> don't really believe internet publication is "real" publication (I
> know, I?
> >>> know), but yeah the cure is to keep on writing & writing to think. I
> hardly?
> >>> know what I think until I have written it & the poem, lyric or
> narrative,?
> >>> for me, is a mode of thought. I think that's what it's good for, to
> sort of?
> >>> go back to Stephen'[s original question. The structures &
> constructions?
> >>> required to make a poem offer a resistance to the chaos of sense?
> >>> impressions?
> >>> / impingements involved in living. The poem is how we map where & what
> we?
> >>> are. OK, I get that much. Why, then, should any kind of publication be?
> >>> required? (I think I have something like an answer to this question,
> but am?
> >>> curious what others will say.)?
> >>>?
> >>> jd?
> >>>?
> >>> On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 2:46 PM, edward mycue <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:?
> >>>?
> >>>> joseph, the "condition" (of not having recent poems accepted) may
> have?
> >>> much?
> >>>> to do with the changeover from the exclusively written publication?
> >>> sources?
> >>>> to the broader internet (which we "accept" but really don't believe in
> as?
> >>>> much as even publication of very small press magazine publication
> issues?
> >>>> that were likened often to kleenex--used and discarded--). ARE YOU
> SURE?
> >>> IT'S?
> >>>> RUST? says the little cockroach on the keyboard when my genie from?
> >>> between?
> >>>> my ears suggested pensively that i'd slowed as i maundred dawdling
> abt?
> >>> what?
> >>>> to do fustigating my failing self-regard in great danger of becoming?
> >>>> annihilating narcissism and blaming it on age-deprived oils of youth.?
> >>>>?
> >>>> of course i counter: just press on regardless!?
> >>>> but does work truthfully? my inner george carlin parries & thrusts.?
> >>>>?
> >>>> i think it's physical: think of bladder infection when you have a?
> >>>> bladderful. forcing is not the answer here. you need the literary?
> >>>> equivalent of a catheter perhaps. (what would that be?)?
> >>>>?
> >>>> keep writing?! yes! (but keep at near remove a device to relieve?
> >>>> remembering the lawrence fixel comparison of poets' having the
> imaginary?
> >>>> carrot and imaginary stick vs. the real carrot and stick that writers
> of?
> >>>> plays, screenplays, & other narratives have.)?
> >>>>?
> >>>> edward mycue?
> >>>>?
> >>>>?
> >>>>?
> >>>> --- On Sat, 6/28/08, Joseph Duemer <[log in to unmask]> wrote:?
> >>>> From: Joseph Duemer <[log in to unmask]>?
> >>>> Subject: Re: The lyric poem - what be its current fate??
> >>>> To: [log in to unmask]
> >>>> Date: Saturday, June 28, 2008, 6:11 AM?
> >>>>?
> >>>> *Stephen writes:* "Without this surrounding labor of critical
> community,?
> >>> so?
> >>>> many often extraordinarily fine lyric poems - let alone larger forms.
> -?
> >>> end?
> >>>> up fleeting around, or become paralysed in a kind of statuary limbo.
> They?
> >>>> may vibrantly appear in a small publication, then disappear as
> readily.?
> >>> For?
> >>>> the poet it takes a fierce stubbornness to put up with can appear as
> an?
> >>>> almost instant annihilation or a perennial sense of being 'not quite
> dead?
> >>>> on?
> >>>> arrival'."?
> >>>>?
> >>>> This has certainly been my recent experience, both as reader and
> writer.?
> >>>> Poets have almost always worked the liminal edges of American
> culture,?
> >>> but?
> >>>> the edges seem to have become cliffs in recent decades, with poets &?
> >>> poems?
> >>>> dropping out sight leaving hardly a trace -- not even a fading
> cartoon?
> >>>> scream followed by a thud & a puff of dust. That would be something,
> at?
> >>>> least. Stephen is right, I think, to note the effect of recent
> American?
> >>>> politics on all kind of cultural habits, the trend starts before
> Bush's?
> >>>> completely demoralizing presidency. The country seems mostly dead to
> me,?
> >>>> without affect, lost in a vaguely buzzing media haze in which the idea
> of?
> >>> a?
> >>>> lyric poem has no place.?
> >>>>?
> >>>> Speaking for myself, I've come to think of the poems I'm writing now
> as?
> >>>> posthumous works. After a career of moderate success getting my stuff?
> >>>> published, nobody will take what I'm writing now. Maybe I've just?
> >>>> become a?
> >>>> terrible writer after turning 55, or maybe my moment has simply
> passed.?
> >>> In?
> >>>> any case, I figure I'll keep at it until I hit 60 in three years and?
> >>> unless?
> >>>> something changes in the reception of my work, I'll turn my full?
> >>> attention?
> >>>> to gardening and cooking and leave poetry to others.?
> >>>>?
> >>>> jd?
> >>>>?
> >>>> --?
> >>>> Joseph Duemer?
> >>>> Professor of Humanities?
> >>>> Clarkson University?
> >>>> Weblog: sharpsand.net?
> >>>>?
> >>>>?
> >>>>?
> >>>>?
> >>>?
> >>> --?
> >>> Joseph Duemer?
> >>> Professor of Humanities?
> >>> Clarkson University?
> >>> Weblog: sharpsand.net?
> >>>?
> >>?
> >>?
> >>?
> > ?
> > -- Tad Richards?
> > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/?
> > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/?
> > ?
> > The moral is this: in American verse,?
> > The better you are, the pay is worse.?
> > ?--Corey Ford?
> >
>
>
>
> --
> David Bircumshaw
> Website and A Chide's Alphabet
> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/
> The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
> Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.co.uk
>
--
Joseph Duemer
Professor of Humanities
Clarkson University
Weblog: sharpsand.net
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