Right-o! One civilization's built on the garbage
of another. It's always been that way, and probably
always will. (Well, maybe not "always" in the really
big sense of the word.)
Hal
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On Jun 10, 2008, at 7:04 AM, David Bircumshaw wrote:
> Oh it's a continuing story Anny. It happens all the time. Paradise is
> all about us and collectively we crap on it. The Yuppies were the
> Hippies spiritual children. Richard Branson was a very Sixties guy,
> the people behind Oz turned into entrepreneurs.
> For a voice that grew from the Sixties I recommend I was just reading
> Alisdair Gray's 2004 collection 'The Ends of Our Tethers' subtitled
> '13 Sorry Stories'. I like what Robin's currently doing looking into
> thieves' cant too. The Glasgow stuff from that period is sound because
> they didn't quite lose sight of the matter of where they were coming
> from.
>
> Best
>
> Dave
>
> 2008/6/10 Anny Ballardini <[log in to unmask]>:
>> I have about three minutes, I will therefore be brief. Please do
>> remember
>> that after the so-called Beats (Beautus, in fact) we had the
>> Yuppies, those
>> who were barely 20 in the '80s. Let's thank them for what is
>> happening now,
>> thank you!
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 1:36 PM, David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Me, Andrew, I'm having a series of interesting conversations with
>>> ghosts about relative values. There's a considerable family of
>>> those.
>>> And listening to what jokes people tell, learning recognise the
>>> territorial marks gangs leave on lamposts, what a language of trees,
>>> looking at graffiti, listening to how males identify selfhood in
>>> rap,
>>> hearing the tap-tap signs from the bottom of edifices like churches
>>> and so forth and so forth. I know there were a lot of positives
>>> paths
>>> etc from the Sixties, but quick fix transcendence buys its supplies
>>> off a dark dealer. The Sixties wanted to throw away the burden of
>>> the
>>> past, well if you dump memory you piss on the future.
>>> Of course there was an element of play on my part, but one has to
>>> continually plot the present. The Sixties went for Liberation Now,
>>> an
>>> instant abandonment of restrictions, and in doing so they liberated
>>> the Beast itself. They liberated Mammon from restraint. The point of
>>> culture is to cultivate this garden that feeds us all, not turn it
>>> into a dope-factory. The hippies all used to go to Afghanistan
>>> didn't
>>> they? I wonder what's going on there now.
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> 2008/6/10 andrew burke <[log in to unmask]>:
>>>> Let's see what you are doing with the present, David. I'm of the
>>>> Sixties
>>>> myself and hope your tone is playful in part: otherwise, I can
>>>> only say
>>> you
>>>> have limited knowledge of the many positive paths started in the
>>>> sixties.
>>> I
>>>> believe 'money money' already had too much power before the
>>>> Sixties and
>>> it
>>>> swamped many of the good seeds sown. Not all the dreams came true,
>>> granted,
>>>> but the Sixties hardly started capitalism or the imperial
>>>> aggression of
>>>> Western nations; it lost the battle against them but some stratas
>>>> of
>>> society
>>>> since know that there are alternatives to these platforms. I'm no
>>>> scholar
>>> of
>>>> the period, but I would think that the a/g in art and music
>>>> certainly
>>>> changed things, and the influence of the Beats/San Francisco
>>>> Renaissance/Black Mt was powerful.
>>>>
>>>> Time for dinner now (and it's not macrobiotic), so I shall close.
>>>>
>>>> Andrew
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2008/6/10 David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]>:
>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, the Sixties, its avant-garde are the Elders of today. And
>>>>> did
>>>>> they fuck-it up for those coming after, man. effectively the
>>>>> liberation of the Sixties opened the door for the Far Right. The
>>>>> drug
>>>>> trade, the art market, the arms trade, I don't want to think
>>>>> about the
>>>>> rest right now. They wanted the ultimate short-cut to transcendent
>>>>> salvation, so we have Facebook, gang-culture, money money. Stephen
>>>>> Hawking looking for the Ultimate in his machine blah blah.
>>>>> The tossers, they had a real chance and they blew it for their own
>>>>> gratification. We're in the future they threw away now.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2008/6/10 Frederick Pollack <[log in to unmask]>:
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Hondros" <
>>> [log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:20 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Conference on Poetry of the Seventies
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wonder whether the sixties and seventies even existed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They did, they did!!! I got laid more than linoleum.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> David Bircumshaw
>>>>> Website and A Chide's Alphabet
>>>>> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/
>>>>> The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
>>>>> Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.co.uk
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Andrew
>>>> http://hispirits.blogspot.com/
>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/aburke/
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> David Bircumshaw
>>> Website and A Chide's Alphabet
>>> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/
>>> The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/
>>> animal.html
>>> Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.co.uk
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Anny Ballardini
>> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
>> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
>> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
>> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a
>> dancing
>> star!
>>
>
>
>
> --
> David Bircumshaw
> Website and A Chide's Alphabet http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/
> The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
> Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.co.uk
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