I believe the end of the old empire helped destroy the Western
working-class, left them bereft of industry and purpose. Drugs moved
in to fill a gap. In any event, drugs were widely available before the
60s but industry held it together.
Roger
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 8:54 PM, David Bircumshaw
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>I remember a lapsed clergyman who renounced his dog-collar, became an
> atheist who used to sit up during prayers looking resolutely ahead. I
> guess he was one of those who dealt with a dark dealer *rolls eyes* I
> find this a disturbing part of Dave's thesis: I am destroying england
> apparently by renouncing god. Am I neither a citizen or patriot?<
>
> The destruction I was thinking of is what the drug culture is doing
> among the lower classes of our society, what it's doing to the people
> I live among and am of. I've been to rather too many funerals lately.
>
>
>
> 2008/6/10 Roger Day <[log in to unmask]>:
>> The 'huitards post-68 lapsed into a post-revolutionary slumber of
>> hippyish self-help and re-growth schemes; back to the land. A friend
>> of mine went back to making wool with natural dyes during the 70s and
>> I think she's still at it. I'm not sure how much longterm structural
>> effect the 60s generation had on politics or much else. Drugs was
>> certainly an issue way before the 60s: it became a middle and
>> upper-class problem from thereonin.
>>
>> On balance I think what came out of the 60s was positive.
>>
>> Folk music was a big thing for me too. I came to dislike Martin Carthy
>> but I still cherish folk music and I've recently listened a lot to
>> Nick Drake. We used to listen a lot to the wireless, and I have fond
>> memories of that medium. Indeed: my family never made it to the
>> sixties party, it was always elsewhere it seemed.
>>
>> I remember a lapsed clergyman who renounced his dog-collar, became an
>> atheist who used to sit up during prayers looking resolutely ahead. I
>> guess he was one of those who dealt with a dark dealer *rolls eyes* I
>> find this a disturbing part of Dave's thesis: I am destroying england
>> apparently by renouncing god. Am I neither a citizen or patriot?
>>
>> Roger
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Dominic Fox <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> Adam Curtis's "The Century of the Self" traces a line from Reich and
>>> Marcuse (and Laing, and...) to yuppies to celeb-culture.
>>>
>>> It's always important to ask "whose sixties". Most people weren't
>>> involved in the swinging metropolitan version. The things my folks
>>> passed on to me from the sixties were things like Martin Carthy, the
>>> Incredible String Band - intensely curious about the past, about the
>>> signs and tokens of our shared culture (conceived vastly more widely
>>> than "official" culture, but extending rather than abolishing it),
>>> about the future possibilities repressed precisely by a too-limited
>>> conception of what our traditions were.
>>>
>>> Dominic
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> My Stuff: http://www.badstep.net/
>> "She went out with her paint box, paints the chapel blue
>> She went out with her matches, torched the car-wash too"
>> The Go-Betweens
>>
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