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Subject:

A few last thoughts on publishing ....

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Ken Friedman <[log in to unmask]>

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Ken Friedman <[log in to unmask]>

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Sat, 5 Apr 2008 12:02:05 +0200

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Hi, Oguzhan, Karel, David, Chris, and All,

A few last thoughts on publishing and dissemination of work by 
doctoral students ....

1) US universities requiring publication in ISI indexed journals

The standards at IIT are much like those I've seen everywhere.

--snip--

Publication Requirements

Doctoral candidates are expected to identify the knowledge that 
underpins their work (bibliography), to present a cogent review of 
the existing literature and issues (research summary), to write a 
minimum of two refereed articles in respected academic journals 
related to their dissertation and to complete the dissertation prior 
to their oral examination. The importance of codifying knowledge 
through writing, publishing and presenting in appropriate venues 
cannot be overestimated.

Conference presentations are strongly recommended as a way to get 
external feedback and validate the work. Articles submitted to 
journals and conferences that relate to your dissertation research 
carry not only your name but also that of your primary advisor.

--snip--

IIT requires publishing in respected journals. They state that their 
list is not comprehensive and many respected journals are not indexed 
by ISI.

Artifact is the first journal on the IIT list. Many subscribers to 
PhD-Design work with Artifact as editors, editorial board members, 
and reviewers. For example, Susan Hagan and Erik Stolterman edited 
the current issue on the relation between practice and theory. 
Artifact is not indexed by the ISI. As I read the IIT requirements, 
the school requires publishing in respected journals. While all ISI 
journals meet this standard, many respected journals not indexed. By 
emphasizing respect as the criterion, giving a journal outside the 
ISI index as the first example, the IIT standard explicitly takes a 
position contrary to the Yildiz University requirements.

I'd still like to see a list of US universities that demand ISI 
journals rather than respected journals. It's one thing to say that 
Yildiz University sets this forth as a requirement. It's another to 
say this is based on North American or European practices -- I find 
this hard to accept without some clear cases. Even then, I'd want to 
know whether this is an outlier or common practice. To my knowledge, 
the common standards lie closer to standards at IIT and Middlesex 
University.

2) European universities requiring publication in ISI indexed journals

No European universities I know of require publication in ISI indexed 
journals. You've asked last year and again this year and so have I. 
Every European university I know that requires publishing before 
completing the PhD use a standard similar to the IIT standard -- or 
an even broader standard such as the standard David Durling 
suggested. One of these two standards are the norm at most of the 
universities I know in Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, or the UK. 
At many universities, however, this is a recommendation and not a 
requirement.

The failure to identify even one example of a European university 
requiring publication in ISI indexed journals suggests that this is 
not a general European standard.

3) Creating an open access journal

Karel van der Waarde's suggestion that we establish journals for the 
purpose of meeting administrative requirements irrelevant to research 
had me laughing.

These administrative requirements are irrelevant to the purposes for 
which most journals exists, however. Karel wrote, "An enormous group 
of authors has to put pressure on reviewers and editors because: I 
need this publication to start a PhD; I need this publication to 
obtain a PhD; I need this publication to support my PhD-viva; I need 
this publication for staff evaluations; Our department needs this 
publication for an assessment/accreditation."

While he offered the example of launching a journal at Biomed 
Central, this won't help doctoral students. The launching process is 
strict. Biomed Central has high demands for senior level editorial 
experience and strong research publishing credentials for those who 
want to launch a journal. Am organization such as this would not 
welcome a journal created solely for the purpose of administrative 
credentials. The credibility of open access publishing at Biomed 
Central rests on the high scientific value of its peer reviewed 
journals. Even if they were to permit such a journal, it would not 
solve the problem of administrative processing fees. A visit to the 
Biomed Central web site will demonstrate the challenge of launching a 
serious journal:

http://www.biomedcentral.com/independent/starting

Incidentally, David noted that several posts have discussed the 
difference between serious journals and others. Nearly all of the 111 
journals that I noted are serious -- people do a reasonable good 
faith job at responsible publishing of material they deem worthy on 
its own merits to become the literature of the field. Some do it 
better than others, but it's real work, and they all invest them time 
this requires.

4) Publishing to meet administrative standards

There are several examples of organizations that exist for 
administrative markers rather than genuine research publishing. This 
includes journal and conference firms that exist primarily to allow 
people to meet administrative publishing requirements. Some 
conference firms have gone so far in this direction that they hardly 
maintain a pretense of scholarship other than a fancy but general 
conference title that covers a vast spectrum of any field to maximize 
possible submissions by people who are not accepted at the narrow 
specialist conferences or the organization-sponsored general research 
conferences. These conferences typically have no sponsor organization 
and no direct scientific or scholarly community. What they do have is 
glorious venues, with events at prime vacation destinations. These 
allow researchers to register, get a certificate, present a paper, 
and enjoy a week at the beach on the university research account.

One engineering professor with a reasonable scientific reputation in 
discovered that he could supplement his academic income substantially 
in the conference business. Starting with one or two profitable 
conferences a year at tourist destinations in the Balkans, he 
expanded to the point that he was recently running 20 or more 
conferences every year in exotic locations around the world. He used 
some of the profit to hire well known scholars as keynote speakers, 
giving each conference the semblance of legitimacy so that presenters 
could tell their dean, "Nobel Laureate X is giving the keynote!" or 
something like that. I estimated the profits once ... I wish that we 
could make a living like that in ordinary teaching and research.

The same thing takes place in publishing. Just this week, I got an 
invitation to participate in a publishing venture nicely suited to 
solving the problems that Karel lists (start a PhD, obtain a PhD, 
support my PhD-viva, pass staff evaluation, pass institutional 
assessment and accreditation).

The Open Research Society is now circulating an invitation in design 
research circles seeking scholars to serve on its journal editorial 
boards. They are sending these out with invitations to publish in 
their journals, including invitations to submit to journals that do 
not yet have editors. I suggest that colleagues ignore any such 
invitation, but I pass this on here information value.

The Open Research Society has all the earmarks of the schemes that 
people cook up to provide journals and conferences for work that 
cannot make an appearance elsewhere. One easily recognized 
characteristic is launching an entire publishing company rather than 
a specific journal. The web site is located at:

http://www.open-knowledge-society.org/

Launching a serious new journal is typically a two or three year 
project. Organizing an editorial group, preparing the first issues, 
getting systems in order all take time. So does attracting solid 
submissions, establishing good review panels, and creating 
comprehensive quality mechanisms.

This outfit plans to launch 100 new journals now and 350 new journals 
over the next year. To launch 100 new journals is like saying, "We're 
going to build a journal division bigger than the MIT Press journal 
division over the next few months -- at an equally high quality 
standard." The idea of building 350 new journals in a year is beyond 
credibility. It took Taylor and Francis two centuries to become that 
big. A fine company like Berg has only 16 journals and some of the 16 
not yet launched. It takes Berg two or three years for every launch. 
The Open Research Society cannot achieve the launch schedule they 
have announced with any kind of quality.

None of these journals has an editorial board yet. They are inviting 
volunteers. Some of these journals don't even have an editor! Anyone 
who has ever launched a successful journal knows that a journal 
begins with an editor and an editorial team. This team creates the 
vision and program that leads to high quality content, impact, and 
success.

This may involve deeper problems than poor quality, though. In my 
experience, such schemes have one of two purposes, sometimes both. 
Some serve as money mills for the publishing organization and its 
controlling group. Even a supposedly non-profit organization such as 
the Open Research Society can be quite lucrative for those who run it 
when the managers of a non-profit organization pay themselves high 
salaries and excellent benefits. Even if fraud is not involved here, 
the journals may still serve as paper mills, churning out 
publications for scholars desperate to increase their publishing 
metrics.

These kinds of ventures seem to tempt some early career researchers. 
They may also tempt those who are desperate for publishing credits. 
They do not fool the ministries that evaluate publications, though, 
and they rarely impress the people who decide on tenure and 
promotion, so publishing in these venues can have negative results.

In my view it is better _not_ to publish an article than to publish 
it in a journal from an outfit like the Open Research Society. I do 
not state that the Open Research Society involves fraud. I have no 
way to know. I do state that this cannot be a serious publishing 
venture as it is now structured. The aspirations they state on their 
web site are benevolent enough, but attempting to launch 100 journals 
at a go with all-volunteer editorial boards rather than teams of 
experienced editors will not fulfill the stated aspirations. 
Launching 350 journals in a single year with all-volunteer boards is 
a recipe for poor quality and low impact. Some universities and 
faculties specifically exclude such publishers from publishing 
statistics. My faculty is one of these.

5) Do we need more journals? And should ISI carry more design journals?

As it is, I don't think we need more journals. This was true a decade 
ago, but not today. Current journal struggle to attract enough good 
contributions.

Should ISI index more design journals? Possibly. But that is another issue.

Nevertheless, there is a serious and relevant middle ground between 
publishing only in ISI journals and publishing with outfits like the 
Open Research Society. There are more than enough serious research 
journals and book series from respected firms such as the MIT Press, 
Taylor and Francis, Berg, Blackwell, Elsevier, University of Chicago 
Press, University of California Press, Oxford University Press -- and 
more. There are also such independent research journals as the 
International Journal of Design.

6) Doctoral students and dissemination

David noted many good venues for dissemination. Conferences remain 
among the best, for many reasons. As Chris notes, "conferences 
provide an almost perfect arena for students to learn their trade. 
They have a higher chance of acceptance and tentative or interim 
findings are likely to be acceptable, they get to meet their 
community, see their peers in action and have real immediate feedback 
on their work and they have their first foot on the publishing ladder 
with papers that are citable and accessible. In some subject 
communities a paper in a leading conference may be as good for your 
standing as a journal paper and journal editors will often attend 
conferences to spot new talent."

I'll echo those last two points. A presentation at a pivotal 
conference can help to orient a field, and it will attract real 
attention. Journal editors often locate potential authors at 
conferences. I have done so often. This works for all of us, not just 
doctoral students -- several of my conference papers have moved on to 
an after-life in journal articles and book chapter following a well 
received presentation. Even my extremely rigorous dog agrees that 
this is a good way for professors to publish, much as it is for PhD 
students. It doesn't work for dogs, though -- most conference hotels 
won't let them register for meals, and a dog won't present if he 
can't eat.

Yours,

Ken

--

Oguzhan Ozcan wrote:

For instance  Illinois Institute of Technology, Institute of Design 
requires conference papers and  high quality 2 journal published 
article before submission of PhD. Of course There are no written word 
for ISI  journal. Unfortunately I know almost all articles in ISI. 
You can see it their application form. page 17.

http://trex.id.iit.edu/grad/phd_handbook.pdf

There are several  more. But  I think It is not relevant to talk name 
based in the list  I guess.

I was agree that  this is hard. But my earliest argument is not proof 
this. My question was which EU Schools  using this  rule ...

My  argument was  (Because it is hard THERE  IS NO ENOUGH DESIGN 
RESEARCH JOURNAL IN ISI INDEX.) at April 2007


-- 

Ken Friedman
Professor

Dean, Swinburne Design
Swinburne University of Technology
Melbourne, Australia

+61 3 92.14.68.69	Tlf Swinburne
+61 404 830 462	Mobile

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