medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
the BBC programme will, obviously, be close to worthless --even if actually
seen in GB.
this page
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4210369.stm
explains that the programme is based on a serious scholarly article published
in the journal Thermochimica Acta, familiar to us all.
the article itself is available here
www.shroud.it/ROGERS-3.PDF
the author, Raymond N. Rogers, is a long-serving memeber of the notorious
"Shroudie" group, STURP [the Shroud of Turin Research Project] from the spacey
1970s, and "Barrie Schwortz, the record photographer for STURP," is recognized
in the acknowledgements "for expert assistance in preparing the figures."
the article uses many, many multi-syllabic words, but here's the Abstract:
"In 1988, radiocarbon laboratories at Arizona, Cambridge, and Zurich
determined the age of a sample from the Shroud of Turin. They
reported that the date of the cloth’s production lay between a.d. 1260 and
1390 with 95% confidence. This came as a surprise in view of the
technology used to produce the cloth, its chemical composition, and the lack
of vanillin in its lignin. The results prompted questions about
the validity of the sample.
"Preliminary estimates of the kinetics constants for the loss of vanillin from
lignin indicate a much older age for the cloth than the radiocarbon
analyses. The radiocarbon sampling area is uniquely coated with a
yellow–brown plant gum containing dye lakes. Pyrolysis-mass-spectrometry
results from the sample area coupled with microscopic and microchemical
observations prove that the radiocarbon sample was not part of the
original cloth of the Shroud of Turin. The radiocarbon date was thus not valid
for determining the true age of the shroud."
of course, it's obvious to any Art Historian worth her psalt that the thing is
just a typical 14th c. French Painting.
right, Jim?
c
------ Original Message ------
Received: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 02:58:57 PM EDT
From: "Grover Zinn (imap)" <[log in to unmask]>
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Subject: Re: [M-R] Shroud of Turin
> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
>
> I just checked the BBC site. The shroud program is going to be on BBC
> 2 (tv) which cannot be viewed in the US. (alas). The only hope is
> that they might eventually put clips on the BBC site or someone will
> put clips (which probably violates copyright) on YouTube. Turin
> Shroud on YouTube yields a variety of clips that are not much use (as
> far as I looked).
>
> best
>
> GZ
>
> Grover A. Zinn
> William H. Danforth Professor of Religion (emeritus)
> former Associate Dean, College of Arts and Sciences
> Oberlin College
> Oberlin, OH 44074
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>
> On Mar 21, 2008, at 2:36 PM, Rosemary Hayes-Milligan and Andrew
> Milligan wrote:
>
> > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
> > culture
> >
> > It may be worth looking at the BBC web site to see if they are going
> > to make it one of the programmes you can look at again over the
> > internet. www.bbc.co.uk.
> >
> > Rosemary Hayes
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "George R. Hoelzeman"
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> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 5:46 PM
> > Subject: Re: [M-R] Shroud of Turin
> >
> >
> >> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
> >> culture
> >>
> >> This is extremely interesting and touches on some of the questions
> >> I've always had about the carbon testing as well as the image. Any
> >> idea if the BBC
> >> program is going to be available on video or CD (no cable or
> >> satellite access for me).
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> G.R.Hoelzeman
> >>
> >> On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 10:25:42 -0700, Diana Wright wrote:
> >>
> >>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
> >>> culture
> >>
> >>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7307646.stm
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> DW
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