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Just a couple of points - this BBC prog did not mention the Mandylion
although I remember an earlier one doing so - but the images of the
Mandylion I think I remember seemed to show only the head and were so
identified with Veronicas - but I may be miss-remembering. this prog
reckoned that the Byzantine image went from head to navel and they worked
out a contraption which would match present folds in shroud with that kind
of image, which they suggested then translated into 'man of sorrows' images.
Re how the image if fake was made, a previous BBC prog claimed that it was
made by an early form of photography/camera obscura method of projecting an
image by light, used apparently in early renaissance to help with
perspective - but, again, my memory fails me as to exact method. One of
most irritating facets of BBC is that it keeps thinking it has invented the
wheel and does not even use its own archives to cover all the arguments.
Hence old ground is gone over as if new and the odd 'new' item is not tested
against the old. Now I'm showing my age.
Rosemary
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From: "Christopher Crockett" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
well, if the Turin Artifact is, indeed, the Mandylion from Edessa, we might
presume that there was a more or less universal consensus back in ces temps
la, but that has certainly not been the case in its incarnation since the
14th
c.
far as i know, the Artifact in Question enjoyed a somewhat quiet, relatively
localized (in Turin/Savoy) veneration until a Monstrance was held in 1898,
when it was first photographed in detail --the newly "enhanced" image
visible
in the photographic negative was something of a BombShell, attracting the
attention of l'abbé Ulysse Chevalier (yes, *that* U.C., of
Topo-Bio-Bibliograhique fame), who examined the Artifact's history
Le Saint Suaire de Turin: histoire d'une relique / Chanoine Ulysse Chevalier
Paris : L'Art et l'Autel, [ca 1900]
15 p. ; in-8
http://gallica.bnf.fr/document?O=N091140
Le linceul du Christ [Texte imprimé] / [par l'abbé Ulysse Chevalier]
Publication : Paris : Séminaire Saint-Vincent-de-Paul, [ca 1902]
Description matérielle : 8 p. ; in-8
Note(s) : Extrait des "Petites Annales de Saint-Vincent-de-Paul", 15
septembre 1902
http://gallica.bnf.fr/document?O=N091143
and, eventually, went to the archives in Troyes and the Vatican and found
various documents concerning the 1389 "proces," which he published:
Autour des origines du suaire de Lirey [Texte imprimé] : avec documents
inédits / par le chanoine Ulysse Chevalier
Paris : A. Picard et Fils, 1903
53 p. ; in-8
Collection: Bibliothèque liturgique ; Tome 5, livraison 4
http://gallica.bnf.fr/document?O=N091144
in other words, l'abbé Chevalier was instrumental in propagating the notion
that the Turin Artifact is a 14th c. French painting.
i'm guessing that his work was tied up, somehow, with all that
Ultramontain/Gallican contraversy of the time in France, but haven't
bothered
to sort the details out (at some point one just has to Cut One's Losses and
Quit).
>or any other relic, for that matter?
i know not from other relics.
thankfully.
one's enough.
c
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