Hi Kluas, Ranulph and others
It really doesn't pay to mix terms and make parallels between constructivism and social constructionism - although the two are commonly confused. I take Klaus to be, from everything I've read and seen to be a social constructionist although probably (like Rorty, Foucualt, and others) he woud prefer to not be 'boxed' into the label but wish to assent to the major principles, which has strong purchase in social pyschoogy and health research - but not only there (I abbreviate). A little reading (start with Burr, 1995) might help avoid terminological confusion and also see the roots and connections of this approach to the age old concern in sociology to the agency-society questions (which Giddens, Bourdieu, Foucault, and others all gave different answer to)
Burr, V. (1995). An introduction to social constructionism. London ; New York: Routledge.*
Gannett, C. (1992). Gender and the journal : diaries and academic discourse. Albany: State University of New York Press.
Gillon, E. (2007). Person-centred counselling psychology : an introduction. Los Angeles ; London: SAGE.
Greenwood, J. D. (1994). Realism, identity, and emotion : reclaiming social psychology. London ; Thousand Oaks: Sage.
Harding, N. M., & Palfrey, C. (1997). The social construction of dementia : confused professionals? London ; Philadelphia: J.
Holstein, J. A., & Miller, G. (1993). Reconsidering social constructionism : debates in social problems theory. New York: Aldine de Gruyter.
Hughes, J., Louw, S., & Sabat, S. R. (2006). Dementia : mind, meaning, and the person. Oxford ; New York: Oxford University Press.
Jacobs, K., Kemeny, J., & Manzi, T. (2004). Social constructionism in housing research. Aldershot, Hampshire, England ; Burlington, VT, USA: Ashgate.
Michael, M. (1996). Constructing identities : the social, the nonhuman and change. London ; Thousand Oaks, Calif.: Sage.
Miller, G., & Holstein, J. A. (2003). Challenges and choices : constructionist perspectives on social problems. Hawthorne, N.Y.: Aldine de Gruyter.
Shotter, J. (1993). Cultural politics of everyday life : social constructionism, rhetoric and knowing of the third kind. Buckingham: Open University Press.
Dr Gavin Melles
Lecturer, Research Degree Skills
Faculty of Design
Swinburne University of Technology
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>>> Klaus Krippendorff <[log in to unmask]> 08/02/08 5:41 PM >>>
ranulph,
i am uncomfortable with your distinction between whether society comes from
individuals, or individuals come from society and with putting me on one
side of the distinction. i think you are creating a chicken and egg problem
here.
i think when you want to call radical (cognitive) constructivism and radical
social constructivism by the same name, you make the reductionism of a
cognitive approach as manifest in the cognitive sciences invisible. this is
why i prefer not to mix them up
klaus.
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From: Ranulph Glanville [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 12:03 PM
To: Debiprasad Dash
Cc: Klaus Krippendorff
Subject: Re: Research Practice and Design
DP
I mean that the argument made in social constructivism (which I generally
prefer to call constructionism) is not the same in either intention, or in
outcome, as the argument I like to make (and which I shall not repeat here).
And I think the difference between the two may come about through (what may
be simplistically presented as) whether one takes the position that society
comes from individuals, or individuals come from society. I believe that
Klaus and I may take different positions on this.
There is always a problem when there are different contexts and histories of
discussion shared between email recipients!
Ranulph
On 6 Feb 2008, at 22:52, Klaus Krippendorff wrote:
debiprasad
you asked "so what?" -- the idea that science could be regarded as a special
case of design is being worked on where i pointed you to. if you are
interested in following that idea, you are invited to look there -- that's
what!
klaus
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From: Debiprasad Dash [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:30 AM
To: Ranulph Glanville; Klaus Krippendorff
Subject: Re: Research Practice and Design
Ranulph and Klaus,
To Klaus: So what?
To Ranulph: What do you mean?
I am lost.
DP
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On 05/02/2008, Ranulph Glanville <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
I'd accept this, Klaus, but I think the argument is different and so is the
intention and the outcome. But I think this again goes back to the question
of whether you start from the social or from the individual, and there I
think we part company.
Best, Ranulph
On 4 Feb 2008, at 19:00, Klaus Krippendorff wrote:
science as a special case of design is the premise of social constructivism
in various incarnations
klaus
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