We have a slightly different perspective at McGill. As the
undergraduate director at the Jewish General I can influence the
teaching of the undergraduates more than most. I have last year
introduced a 1 hour session for every student at McGill (dentists
included) on how to take blood. The classes are 15 students in size
which means 14 sessions. This year we have added in a second course
on near patient testing. We get them to take a CBGM on each other, do
a urinalysis and FOB (chocolate pudding, oatmeal with chunks of dog
food) . We get the chance to talk about everything from cost to
errors, ID problems and documentation. The medical students love it.
I have all the opportunity I need and it would be welcome for me to
do more teaching at McGill but the problem is I do not have the time.
I already do a lot at the Jewish Hospital. If we make the teaching
useful to them, students, residents and MDs all are very
appreciative. I think part of our problem is we do not really value
what it is we know and the other problem is we do not go out there
and let people know that we are good at our job and we are the only
ones who understand it. I know it is easier for me as I work on the
wards and so I know most of the residents and physicians in the
hospital (in Medicine anyway)
Liz
Jewish General Hospital
McGill University
Montreal
At 10:05 2008-02-04, Dr. Michael Steiner wrote:
>Dear Colleagues,
>
>In Germany the situation may be slightly better as clinical
>chemistry/laboratory medicine is part of the medical school
>curriculum. However, the critical point is that we teach it to third
>year medical students who are just starting clinical education and
>can hardly put laboratory data/algorithms into a clinical context.
>
>Locally, we have good experience with elective seminars, too. We
>have offered for some years in a row a course entitled
>"Evidence-based laboratory medicine". The current one reads
>"Teaching laboratory medicine and internal medicine with classic
>papers". Although relatively few students attend, their feedback is
>quite encouraging.
>
>May we make use of the discussion forum to compile a list how in
>different countries clinical chemistry/laboratory medicine is being
>tought in medical school ? This may form a starting point to propose
>changes ...
>
>Frustratingly, clinical chemistry/laboratory medicine is about to be
>completely removed from the dentistry school curriculum in Germany.
>Who will teach them blood counts, basic coagulation etc. ?
>
>Best regards,
>
>Mike
>
>Dr Michael Steiner
>University of Rostock
>Institute of Clinical Chemistry & Laboratory Medicine
>D-18057 Rostock
>GERMANY
>
>
>
>James J Miller schrieb:
>>Similar reductions of Pathology, in general, and especially
>>Laboratory Medicine in the medical school curriculum have occurred
>>over the last decade in the US - a little more reduction each
>>year. (And there wasn't a whole lot of Laboratory Medicine to begin with.)
>>
>>About 6 or 7 years ago, I attended a workshop at the AACC meeting
>>given by a pathologist from Canada. He had a unique solution. He
>>started an _elective_ course in Laboratory Medicine. Only a few
>>medical students took it at first, but, after a few classes had
>>advanced to ward duty, those who had elected to take Laboratory
>>Medicine began recommending it to younger medical students. Within
>>a few years, all medical students elected to take the course.
>>
>>I don't recall his name or institution. I could probably dig it
>>out of my archives, but perhaps some of our Canadian colleagues
>>know who/where this is, whether it has persevered, and whether it
>>has spread. -Jim
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