Lubomir,
Thank for the clarification and I am not taking it personal at all.
Carl
On Jan 8, 2008, at 2:15 PM, Lubomir S. Popov wrote:
>
> Hi Carl,
>
> Do not take it personal. My major intention was to create
> awareness. I expected the objections and the argument of the kind
> you made. In a way, my intervention is good illustration of
> subverting the subversion. I practically advocated the design
> approach -- creating order out of chaos. It is an alternative of
> revolutionary disruption. In no way was my post meant to simplify
> and or negate particular movements in art. I focused on the
> political implications and the danger of collusion between
> political and artistic philosophies.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Lubomir
>
> At 01:07 PM 1/8/2008, Carl DiSalvo wrote:
>> Lubomir,
>>
>> Is this in reference to the posts below? If so, I believe its
>> misplaced criticism. First, I would argue that chaos, anarchy,
>> subversion, and violence each have different meanings and should
>> not be so quickly conflated. Second, I would argue its an error to
>> equate the topics disruption in the context of art and design to
>> the work of warlords and crime barons.
>>
>> Many of the artists and designers involved in these efforts (such
>> as those featured in The Interventionists show) have offered and
>> produced significant viable alternatives that are in effect today.
>>
>> Contestation, protest, revolt, even subversion, have a place in
>> politics, most particularly in democratic politics.
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 8, 2008, at 12:51 PM, Lubomir S. Popov wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Colleagues,
>>>
>>> I am a bit disturbed that our world is going towards chaos,
>>> anarchy, subversion, and violence. The art of disruption has been
>>> practiced for decades by both left- and right-wing elements, and
>>> in particular, all kinds of warlords and organized crime barons.
>>> Anarchy does not benefit ordinary people. It benefits warlords
>>> who are free to act as they want. The periods of anarchy and
>>> disruption have been the most painful in human history. They did
>>> not bring to a change in the status quo. They did not benefit
>>> poor people. They are created and used by particular interest
>>> groups that wanted to operate with impunity. Talk to the
>>> Russians. They had experienced this at least two times in the
>>> last 100 years. The first time -- in the period 1917-1923. The
>>> subversion went so far that dozens of millions of people suffered
>>> atrocities, murder, rape, and famine. Just do not tell me that
>>> this was the price for human equality. No one become equal. Then
>>> in the period 1990-present, Russian people suffer a second time,
>>> a similar fate, this time without physical pain, but in a
>>> debilitating and stagnating economic deadlock of special
>>> interests and organized crime.
>>>
>>> The solution is not to generate subversion at random. The
>>> solution is to propose a viable alternative. Subversion is easy
>>> to do. A handful of people can create a lot of damage in the
>>> contemporary, highly technological world. It is difficult to
>>> DESIGN a new social organization that can be implemented in a
>>> democratic society without undue hardship for the general
>>> population. The leftist project completely collapsed. Russia and
>>> Eastern Europe illustrate this well. China is also pulling out of
>>> the leftist project, but in a more strategically savvy way. Where
>>> do you find a successful implementation of the leftist project?
>>>
>>> Think about this and think how you can contribute to humane and
>>> enhancing design that will be fair to all and would not create
>>> undue suffering. Sounds unrealistic? Well, I would say just
>>> difficult to achieve.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Lubomir
>>>
>>> At 11:36 AM 1/8/2008, Carl DiSalvo wrote:
>>>> Hello Cigdem and others sharing this interest,
>>>>
>>>> You might also want to take a look at the literature and
>>>> exhibits of
>>>> tactical media. There is an interesting and under-discussed
>>>> relationship between tactical media in design. As starting points I
>>>> would suggest the catalog for the exhibition The Interventionists.
>>>>
>>>> The Interventionists
>>>> Users' Manual for the Creative Disruption of Everyday Life
>>>> Edited by Nato Thompson and Gregory Sholette
>>>> MIT Press 2004.
>>>>
>>>> You might want to specifically look at the work of Nathan Martin
>>>> (Carbon Defense League / DeepLocal). Martin wrote a master's thesis
>>>> on Parasitic Media as art practice and now practices design.
>>>> You can
>>>> access the essay here: www.carbondefense.org/pdf/writing_7.pdf
>>>>
>>>> Carl
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 7, 2008, at 3:14 PM, Elizabeth Goodman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'd suggest getting in touch with Anne Galloway -- www.plsj.org --
>>>>> or at least checking out her writing. While not focused on
>>>>> sustainability per se, Anne has done a lot of thinking about
>>>>> hacking, subversions, etc. She organized a panel in 2004 on
>>>>> "Designing for Hackability," which seems relevant.
>>>>>
>>>>> Liz
>>>>>
>>>>> ******************************************************
>>>>> Elizabeth Goodman
>>>>> PhD student
>>>>> UC Berkeley School of Information
>>>>> www.confectious.net
>>>>>
>>>>> ******************************************************
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Cigdem Kaya wrote:
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> I have been collecting data about various industrial design
>>>>>> projects
>>>>>> that involve social responsibility in some way, most of which is
>>>>>> imbued
>>>>>> with an amateur spirit, around the concepts of participation,
>>>>>> hacking,
>>>>>> subversions, teaching a skill, interventions, parasitism,
>>>>>> democratic
>>>>>> design, lending authorship, activism, guerrilla design, DIY,
>>>>>> interrogative design with reference to Wodiczko.
>>>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> Carl DiSalvo, Ph.D.
>>>> Assistant Professor
>>>> School of Literature, Communication, and Culture
>>>> The Georgia Institute of Technology
>>
>> Carl DiSalvo, Ph.D.
>> Assistant Professor
>> School of Literature, Communication, and Culture
>> The Georgia Institute of Technology
>>
>>
>>
>
Carl DiSalvo, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor
School of Literature, Communication, and Culture
The Georgia Institute of Technology
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