Hi Carl,
Do not take it personal. My major intention was to create awareness.
I expected the objections and the argument of the kind you made. In a
way, my intervention is good illustration of subverting the
subversion. I practically advocated the design approach -- creating
order out of chaos. It is an alternative of revolutionary disruption.
In no way was my post meant to simplify and or negate particular
movements in art. I focused on the political implications and the
danger of collusion between political and artistic philosophies.
Kind regards,
Lubomir
At 01:07 PM 1/8/2008, Carl DiSalvo wrote:
>Lubomir,
>
>Is this in reference to the posts below? If so, I believe
>its misplaced criticism. First, I would argue that chaos, anarchy,
>subversion, and violence each have different meanings and should not
>be so quickly conflated. Second, I would argue its an error to
>equate the topics disruption in the context of art and design to
>the work of warlords and crime barons.
>
>Many of the artists and designers involved in these efforts (such as
>those featured in The Interventionists show) have offered and
>produced significant viable alternatives that are in effect today.
>
>Contestation, protest, revolt, even subversion, have a place in
>politics, most particularly in democratic politics.
>
>Carl
>
>
>
>On Jan 8, 2008, at 12:51 PM, Lubomir S. Popov wrote:
>
>>Dear Colleagues,
>>
>>I am a bit disturbed that our world is going towards chaos,
>>anarchy, subversion, and violence. The art of disruption has been
>>practiced for decades by both left- and right-wing elements, and in
>>particular, all kinds of warlords and organized crime barons.
>>Anarchy does not benefit ordinary people. It benefits warlords who
>>are free to act as they want. The periods of anarchy and disruption
>>have been the most painful in human history. They did not bring to
>>a change in the status quo. They did not benefit poor people. They
>>are created and used by particular interest groups that wanted to
>>operate with impunity. Talk to the Russians. They had experienced
>>this at least two times in the last 100 years. The first time -- in
>>the period 1917-1923. The subversion went so far that dozens of
>>millions of people suffered atrocities, murder, rape, and famine.
>>Just do not tell me that this was the price for human equality. No
>>one become equal. Then in the period 1990-present, Russian people
>>suffer a second time, a similar fate, this time without physical
>>pain, but in a debilitating and stagnating economic deadlock of
>>special interests and organized crime.
>>
>>The solution is not to generate subversion at random. The solution
>>is to propose a viable alternative. Subversion is easy to do. A
>>handful of people can create a lot of damage in the contemporary,
>>highly technological world. It is difficult to DESIGN a new social
>>organization that can be implemented in a democratic society
>>without undue hardship for the general population. The leftist
>>project completely collapsed. Russia and Eastern Europe illustrate
>>this well. China is also pulling out of the leftist project, but in
>>a more strategically savvy way. Where do you find a successful
>>implementation of the leftist project?
>>
>>Think about this and think how you can contribute to humane and
>>enhancing design that will be fair to all and would not create
>>undue suffering. Sounds unrealistic? Well, I would say just
>>difficult to achieve.
>>
>>Kind regards,
>>
>>Lubomir
>>
>>At 11:36 AM 1/8/2008, Carl DiSalvo wrote:
>>>Hello Cigdem and others sharing this interest,
>>>
>>>You might also want to take a look at the literature and exhibits of
>>>tactical media. There is an interesting and under-discussed
>>>relationship between tactical media in design. As starting points I
>>>would suggest the catalog for the exhibition The Interventionists.
>>>
>>>The Interventionists
>>>Users' Manual for the Creative Disruption of Everyday Life
>>>Edited by Nato Thompson and Gregory Sholette
>>>MIT Press 2004.
>>>
>>>You might want to specifically look at the work of Nathan Martin
>>>(Carbon Defense League / DeepLocal). Martin wrote a master's thesis
>>>on Parasitic Media as art practice and now practices design. You can
>>>access the essay here:
>>><http://www.carbondefense.org/pdf/writing_7.pdf>www.carbondefense.org/pdf/writing_7.pdf
>>>
>>>Carl
>>>
>>>
>>>On Jan 7, 2008, at 3:14 PM, Elizabeth Goodman wrote:
>>>
>>>>I'd suggest getting in touch with Anne Galloway --
>>>><http://www.plsj.org>www.plsj.org --
>>>>or at least checking out her writing. While not focused on
>>>>sustainability per se, Anne has done a lot of thinking about
>>>>hacking, subversions, etc. She organized a panel in 2004 on
>>>>"Designing for Hackability," which seems relevant.
>>>>
>>>>Liz
>>>>
>>>>******************************************************
>>>>Elizabeth Goodman
>>>>PhD student
>>>>UC Berkeley School of Information
>>>>www.confectious.net
>>>>
>>>>******************************************************
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Cigdem Kaya wrote:
>>>>>*
>>>>>I have been collecting data about various industrial design projects
>>>>>that involve social responsibility in some way, most of which is
>>>>>imbued
>>>>>with an amateur spirit, around the concepts of participation,
>>>>>hacking,
>>>>>subversions, teaching a skill, interventions, parasitism, democratic
>>>>>design, lending authorship, activism, guerrilla design, DIY,
>>>>>interrogative design with reference to Wodiczko.
>>>>>*
>>>
>>>Carl DiSalvo, Ph.D.
>>>Assistant Professor
>>>School of Literature, Communication, and Culture
>>>The Georgia Institute of Technology
>
>Carl DiSalvo, Ph.D.
>Assistant Professor
>School of Literature, Communication, and Culture
>The Georgia Institute of Technology
>
>
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