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By all means use it with your students, Maddy, if it's helpful.
More information at: http://www.mla.org/style_faq
The Diana Hacker Web site includes an interactive guide to citation in MLA, APA, Chicago, and CSE styles:
http://www.dianahacker.com/resdoc/
Before her untimely death, Hacker was an English professor at a community college in Maryland and the author of several widely used textbooks.
//Tom
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From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture on behalf of Madeleine Gray
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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
Thank you, Thomas - that's just what I wanted!
Can I pass this on to students?
Maddy
Dr Madeleine Gray
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Subject: Re: [M-R] Citing URLS (WAS Re: Julian of Norwich (WAS Website requested by JDillon))
medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
MLA again (in Joseph Gibaldi, ed., MLA Style Manual, 2nd ed. [New York: MLA, 1998]) suggests in section 6.9.8. f. ("An Online Posting") citing a) author, b) title of document or posting as given in the subject line, c) the following descriptor: Online posting, d) date posted, e) name of the forum, f) date of access, and g) online address (a URL that would take a scholar to the forum but not to the exact posting, which might entail a very lengthy URL).
There is a similar issue with citing print-journal articles that one has accessed using an online database since the URL is frequently a temporary session-only URL (and is usually several lines long).
Dr. Thomas Lawrence Long
Professor of English
Thomas Nelson Community College
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http://community.tncc.edu/faculty/longt <http://community.tncc.edu/faculty/longt>
Rescuing Reading Project
http://www.tncc.edu/rescuingreading <http://www.tncc.edu/rescuingreading>
Editor-in-Chief, Harrington Gay Men's Literary Quarterly
The Long View Blog Site
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Well, while we're on the subject - and this is of some relevance to the list - has anyone any ideas for getting round the impossible complexity of URLs for modern database-driven web sites eg the URLs for individual postings to our own archives? I did meticulously reference individual contributionsto the debate over medieval painted stone in what I wrote for the Stone Forum newsletter but the likelihood of anyone being able to track down the references was minimal and eventually the editor asked me to cut them out.
Maddy
Dr Madeleine Gray
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From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture on behalf of John Dillon
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Subject: [M-R] Citing URLS (WAS Re: Julian of Norwich (WAS Website requested by JDillon))
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Dear All,
This seems a good example of the sort of tangential development for which a new Subject line would be appropriate, as it doesn't bear all that much on the thrust of the previous thread. So I've gone ahead and changed the formal Subject.
Kerry's first observation strikes me as spot on. Enclosing a URL in angle brackets appears to be well on its way to becoming a standard convention (though inside a parenthesis ending a URL with a backslash also works).
In student papers and in the practice of some learned journals it's common to require a date of viewing. But the rate of disappearance from the Web is so steady and so many URLs turn out to be unstable that adding this information seems often _de trop_ (because we can assume that in a few years the URL will be unusable anyhow, the limited success of the Internet Archive notwithstanding, and because we can infer that the site was seen during preparation of an article or book that itself bears a date of emission). I'd add the date viewed only in the numerous cases of content likely to change as a document goes through successive electronic states. But for undergraduates to whom the Web is all one and for whom such distinctions may be difficult in practice, requiring that the date viewed always be specified makes pragmatic sense.
Best,
John Dillon
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From: "V. Kerry Inman" <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Saturday, January 19, 2008 9:55 am
Subject: Re: [M-R] Julian of Norwich (WAS Website requested by JDillon)
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> List Members
>
> I just want to ask for some additional information here. I agree that
> when citing web information a URL should be included as foot- endnote,
> or parenthesis--but not using parentheses. Isn't it becoming common to
> put URL's or search words between < > (whatever you call them) and
> shouldn't one also indicate the date the information was retrieved
> outside the < > because websites change frequently in some cases?
> _The Chicago Manual of Style_ specifies how to cite electronic
> information, but this doen't mean that it has become a practice. What
> are all you professors and teachers requiring in your papers?
>
> V. Kerry Inman> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 21:56:19 -0600> From:
> [log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [M-R] Julian of Norwich (WAS
> Website requested by JDillon)> To: [log in to unmask]> >
> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
> culture> it's customary when quoting more than a few words from a
> particular source to give a location where the quoted matter can be
> found, With a book one gives at least the title, the place of
> publication and date (unless these latter are obvious), and the page
> or pages on which the matter referred is located (unless these are
> made unnecessary by the form of presentation, e.g. a calendar). With a
> website one gives a URL.
>
> > Best,> John Dillon>
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