medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
This is what started it! This is a scholarly discussion list and I am simply not
going to take your word for it that such and such is a better translation for
anything! You give me no reason to believe that joiner or cabnetmaker is a
better translation! This is sophism! Kraft's answer is the most appropriate.
V. Kerry Inman
Quoting Henk 't Jong <[log in to unmask]>:
> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
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> Terrill wrote:
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> I think that "joiner" would be a better translation of the Greek word,
> tekton. (Tektwv)
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> As I wrote earlier:
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> Bonjour, eh, to you too
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> You wrote:
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> >You and a kazillion other folks are under the impression Joseph
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> was a carpenter. He probably wasn't, at least in the sense of one
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> who makes houses.
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> >The Greek, Mt. 13:15, Mark 6:3, says he was a 'tektðn', which
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> is probably more correctly translated "cabinetmaker".
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> In medieval terms, a joiner. One who makes household furniture, consisting
> of benches, stools, chairs, tables, chests, beds, etc.
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> >As various
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> Latin translations of the NT appeared, 'fabri' became the preferred
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> translation, and a fabri was often a carpenter or a stone mason
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> who built houses.
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> Or a smith of any sort...
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> > Thus in numerous English translations he
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> became a 'carpenter'.
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> There were all kinds of carpenters during the Middle Ages and all
> specialised in a certain type of woodwork for a certian type of product.
> They all could handle wood, but the guild system from the 13th, sometimes
> 12th c, onwards forced them to do so.
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> >So to close our discussion, I hope, they have been burying the
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> wrong guy.
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> You often see Joseph depicted as a joiner, think of the Merode Altar by
> Robert Campin.
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> And to add:
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> As Rochelle points out: housecarpentry in antiquity around the Mediterranean
> sea was, with all the stone available, not as highly rated as in more
> northern climes. Joinery otoh was, as almost all furniture was made of this
> (with additions of other materials) as were doors, windowframes, etc. Mind
> you: roof rafters were usually of wood, but the construction of those was
> pretty simple. In the country this was usually done by the peasants or
> farmers themselves. In cities you might have found some specialists, but I
> doubt that Nazareth ca the year -4 was sophisticated enough to have one. So,
> if he was a carpenter-joiner Joseph might have adzed a few rafters in his
> time.
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> To add to the confusion: even very early on there were specialized joiners:
> there were chest and coffer makers, turners of furniture parts like table
> and chair legs, turners of vessels like bowls and beakers, or planers of
> arrowshafts or lances, spoon crafters, panelmakers (specialists in planing),
> wheel wrights, who were separate from the wagonmakers, coopers, hoopmakers
> (these were made of willow), etc. And don’t forget the very specialized
> shipwrights. Or the woodsculptors; very big in anitquity. Woodworkers all.
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> Henk
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