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Re: More about Lockheed Martin and the census [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

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That is a misunderstanding.   Respondents don't go into a data processing centre in the UK.   They enter their data on a form as elsewhere.   

The misunderstading is significant.   The point being made was that with OCR householders bear the cost of data entry.  If householders become aware that most of what they may have painstakingly put together is not used then they might not bother to answer and it might lessen the respect they have for the published output.   

I wonder what exactly is meant by an e-census?  What exactly is the meaning of lodgement in this context?   

Ray Thomas, Faculty of Social Sciences, Open University




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Individual respondents don't typically come into the data processing centre and key in the data from their own forms here.  I guess it must be different in Britain.

One of the problems with the e-census is merging records from electronic lodgements with the pencil and paper form from the rest of the household, or so I understand.  Determining relationship among persons enumerated on different forms is particularly problematical.




                                                                                                                         
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Alison's message reveals, perhaps inadvertantly, on reason why census return rates are declining.

Speaking on behalf of the GSS(?) Alison refers to data entry costs as belonging the the GSS.

In fact the data entry is usually done by individual householders.   The
ignoring of this cost by throwing the results away can hardly endear members of the public to official statistics.


Ray Thomas





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      The 1966 census, the only mid term census ever done, was a ten per
      sample. In somedecennial censuses, not all questions were analysed on
      a 100 per cent basis, to save on data entry costs. There has never
      been an income question.

      Alison.



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