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A quick look at the Gregorian decretals shows two texts in book III
under the title De regularibus that are of of interest, but neither
exactly matches.
c. Non est vobis [X 3.31.7] says a Cistercian who moves to another
monastery without the abbot's permission can be compelled to return. id
the abbot of Montserrat give permission for the monks and hermits to
leave? If not, that might explain the king's actions.
c. Licet de quibusdam [c. 18] is less to the point, forbidding tranfer
of a monk even to a stricter monastery without his prelate's permission.
You might consult:
Personal author: *Logan, F. Donald.*
<http://www.iris.rutgers.edu/uhtbin/cgisirsi/4pD5E8MxaS/ALCOHOL/80300261/18/X100/XAUTHOR/Logan,+F.+Donald.>
Title: Runaway religious in medieval England, c. 1240-1540 / F. Donald
Logan.
Publication info: Cambridge ; New York : Cambridge University Press, 1996.
Tom Izbicki
Daniel K. Gullo wrote:
> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
>
> I am wondering if somebody may help me solve a question that I
> am working on with regard to the problem of the imposition of
> Observantine reform on monastic communities.
>
> Bernard of Clairvaux posed an interesting question. Can one
> force a monk to take on Cistercian observances if he professed
> to follow a different interpretation (i.e. more lax according
> to Bernard) of the Benedictine Rule. The idea here is related
> to vows. Can one be forced to submit to a different view of
> living according to the Rule when one entered and professed
> according to what one saw and experienced in the monastery.
> His answer was no. One cannot force Cistercian practices on a
> Cluniac monastery unless the monks freely chose that form of life.
>
> This is the problem that I have at Montserrat, where several
> monks and hermits abandoned the monastery when Fernando II
> initiated a reform based on Observantinism in 1479. These
> monks and hermits asked for a pension after abandoning the
> community in 1483 and 1484. The king denied them the pension,
> ordered them to submit, and if not they could leave without
> support.
>
> This convoluted introduction is to ask whether or not
> Bernard's view found its way into canon law: one cannot force
> a monk to take on strict observance when he vowed to live
> according to a more traditional claustral lifestyle.
>
> The other side of this question is the general request for any
> bibliographic information on how this debate might have taken
> place in later medieval literature.
>
> Thank you so much for any help in this matter,
>
> Daniel
>
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