Dear Roy and RadStats members

I think that all those who have expressed concern about Lockheed Martin and
their possible involvement with the UK Census are absolutely right to be
worried. The major military corporations, like Lockheed and BAE Systems,
are involved with a variety of research and teaching activities both in the
UK and USA and are very close indeed to the cabinet level of both country's
governments.

The questions around the security and commercial use of an individual's data
are of the gravest importance when one follows the paths between 'security'
databases in both countries and the erosion of privacy and basic rights
which are underway under the pretence of 'terrorism'. Activities not open to
public scrutiny or discussion. The provision of global databases containing
a variety of information are already being built and will be enhanced if
Lockheed Martin gets involved with the UK Census. I think that this
development must be challenged where ever we can in our professional and
special interest groups. The USA monitors UK e-mails and telephone
conversations from its installations at Menwith Hill - a site that is not
answerable to the UK government - and having more data
about the UK population would further lessen the independence of the UK. As
others have pointed out the US government would I think clearly feel that
data collected by Lockheed Martin was legitimate 'intelligence' for its own
wellbeing and let's not worry about privacy or freedom.

For some further information about Lockheed Martin and its involvement with
UK science and technology see Soldiers in the laboratory on www.sgr.org.uk

Chris Langley
Scientists for Global Responsibility

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From: "R.Thomas" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 2:50 PM
Subject: The 2011 Census


That reference by Paul Bivand provides a lot of interesting information.

As I recall it at the same stage of the 2001 census the ONS was proclaiming
the importance of public consultation. And it appeared that everything was
up for consultation except the idea of a One-Number Census. The One-Number
idea failed dismally. Now it appears that the consultation has been
replaced by the idea of paying suppliers to organise the census. With no
mention of public consultation.

That my be a very 'rational' solution, but I share Janet Shapiro's unease at
Lockheed Martin becoming a major supplier. The 'war on terror' has seems
to have impelled a number of US organizations to suspend any commitment to
what were widely accepted moral principles. A firm like Lockheed Martin
would ignore clauses of confidentialy in a Census contract with the UK
Government if it could find any justification in terms of the defence of
the US.

The contractual relationship between a supplier and the Government will also
make it more difficult to get information on the activities of suppliers.
They will plead that they cannot give information because it would give
advantages to their competitors.

Ray Thomas, Faculty of Social Sciences, Open University
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Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 5:14 PM
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Subject: Re: Lockheed Martin shortlisted for Census


The answer to John Whittington's question may be on this National Statistics
page
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/census/2011census/collectingtheinfo/workingsuppliers.asp.

Looks like there are only two contractors in place to bid for the data
capture and associated systems work - one of which is Lockheed Martin.


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Sent: 14 August 2007 14:38
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Subject: Re: Lockheed Martin shortlisted for Census

At 13:41 14/08/07 +0100, Janet Shapiro wrote (in small part):

>Lockheed Martin is one of the shortlisted contractors to provide data
>capture and storage services for the 2011 Census, .... ......The
>petition - to be found at the url below - is worded as follows: "We the
>undersigned petition the Prime Minister to stop the involvement of arms
>company Lockheed Martin in the 2011 Census for England and Wales,
>Northern Ireland and Scotland, because this company's history of
>working in American military intelligence will undermine public
>confidence in the Census process."

Janet, are you in a position to share with us the identities of the other
shortlisted contractors, in order that we might attempt to judge their
relative merits/demerits, rather than pass judgment on one of them out of
that context?

Kind Regards,


John

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