Dear Klaus
I would tend to agree with you on the Science of the Artificial. However
one title that I would include to the list of books dealing with objects
and ecologies of objects is the following:
Csikszentmihalyi, M., & Rochberg-Halton, E. (1981). The meaning of
things: Domestic symbols and the self. Cambridge: Cambridge University
Press.
Further, other sources that touched on the concept for me include:
Bateson's "Steps" was the first source for me that introduced the
concept of "ecology" in human systems although we had been discussing
(as students at NID) Bucky Fullers works with John McHale, particularly
in the Design Science Decade volumes where World Resources and systems
implications are discussed in great detail. Stafford Beer' "Platform for
Change" is another holistic perspective that helped clarify concepts of
systems and ecologies of relationships in the early 80's and late 70's.
Eric Jantsch, The self organizing universe, Scientific and Human
Implication: of the Emerging Paradigm of Evolution, New York: Pergamon.
1980 was another source of inspiration. I mention these sources since we
at NID were looking at product design in our local context and some of
these sources helped greatly in setting our own goals and directions in
the early days. The discussions in the Hfg Ulm Journals was definitely
another influencial resource that comes to my mind.
By the way some of our bamboo product designs are on display at the IFA
Gallery in Stuttgart, Germany for this month and in Berlin till October.
You can see more about these products in these links below and it may be
significant in the context of this discussion since we were looking at
both biological aspects of systems and local ecology as well as the
material ecologies on the kind of objects that we would design in order
to help local communities help themselves as a development initiative in
India.
<http://cms.ifa.de/en/exhibitions/dt/past-exhibitions/2007/in-site/bambus-initiative/>
<http://design-for-india.blogspot.com/2007/07/ifa-exhibitions-in-stuttgart-and-berlin.html>
With warm regards
M P Ranjan
from my office at NID
25 July 2007 at 3.30 pm IST
Prof M P Ranjan
Faculty of Design
Head, Centre for Bamboo Initiatives at NID (CFBI-NID)
Chairman, GeoVisualisation Task Group (DST, Govt. of India) (2006-2008)
National Institute of Design
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Ahmedabad 380 007 India
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Klaus Krippendorff wrote:
> viveka,
> simon's 1969 book is titled "the sciences of the artificial" -- not of
> objects and he was definitely not interested in an ecology of artifacts.
> his rationalist approach would almost preclude ecological considerations.
> i would be interested to know what these authors actually meant by this
> phrase.
> klaus
>
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> Subject: Re: Origins of 'The Ecology of the Artificial'?
>
> The origins of 'The Ecology of the Artificial'
> The timeline I have so far from the references people have given me is as
> follows:
>
> 1968, Baudrillard, "The System of Objects"
> 1969, Simon HA, "The Science of Objects"
> 1972, Bateson, "Steps to an Ecology of Mind"
> 1978, Boulding KE, "Ecodynamics: A New Theory of Societal Evolution"
> 1988, Branzi "Learning from Milan: Design and the Second Modernity"
> 1989, Krippendorff, "On the Essential Contexts of Artifacts or on the
> Proposition that 'Design is Making Sense (of Things)'"
> 1990, "The Munich Design Charter"
> 1990, Manzini, "Artifacts. Verso una nuova ecologia dell'ambiente
> artificiale"
> 1992, Manzini "Prometheus of the Everyday: The Ecology of the Artificial and
> the Designer's Responsibility"
> 1993, Pantzar P, "Do Commodities reproduce themselves through human beings,
> towards an ecology of goods"
>
> Thanks
> v.
>
>
> On 25/07/07, Viveka Turnbull <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Ooops, that was a typo it is 1988 (not 1888) it was used by Andrea
>> Branzi in his book 'Learning from Milan: Design and the Second Modernity'
>>
>> Thanks
>> v.
>>
>>
>> On 25/07/07, John Feland <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> Viveka,
>>>
>>> It's probably a play on Science of the Artificial, Herb Simon's
>>> definition of Design. Or maybe, given your 1888 reference, Simon
>>> got it from Branzi.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> At 10:33 PM 7/23/2007, you wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am trying to trace the origins of the term 'The Ecology of the
>>>>
>>> Artificial'
>>>
>>>> in 1992 Manzini uses it in the Design Issues paper 'Prometheus of
>>>> the Everyday'
>>>> in 1990 it is used in 'the Munich Design Charter', published in
>>>> Design Issues in 1991 in 1888 it used by Andrea Branzi in his book
>>>> 'Learning from Milan:
>>>>
>>> Design
>>>
>>>> and the Second Modernity'
>>>>
>>>> Does the term come from Branzi or from somewhere ells?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> v.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Viveka Turnbull Hocking
>>>> PhD in Environmental Design
>>>> University of Canberra
>>>> Tel...........02 6456 7439
>>>> Mobile.....0431 945 252
>>>> Mail.........PO Box 1066,
>>>> Jindabyne NSW 2627
>>>>
>>>
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