Klaus
We must be reading a different book! Nowhere do Lakoff and Nunez "make clear
that mathematics is not representative of cognition but derives from
embodied social practices in which cognition merely but constitutively
participates" whatever that means.
They say instead: "We will argue that a great many cognitive mechanisms that
are not specifically mathematical are used to characterize mathematical
ideas. They include such ordinary cognitive mechanisms as those used for the
following ideas: basic spatial relations, groupings, small quantities,
motions, distributions of things in space, changes, bodily orientations,
basic manipulations of objects (e.g.,rotating and stretching), iterated
actions, and so on." p28 My view is that individuals may experience such
things even before they "language" them", else how would they know what they
are talking to one another about. Intentionality again.
You don't seem to want to deal with psycholinguistics only its social
manifestations.
Chuck
On 4/25/07 12:36 AM, "Klaus Krippendorff" <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
> chuck,
> i have read lakoff and nunez's where mathematics comes from. it is a
> passionate argument against objectivism and the conception of language as a
> representational system. it also makes clear that mathematics is not
> representative of cognition but derives from embodied social practices in
> which cognition merely but constitutively participates.
> klaus
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charles Burnette [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 3:40 PM
> To: Jerry Diethelm; Klaus Krippendorff; PHD Design
> Subject: Re: Legitimate Interests, Stakes, and Ethics
>
> Klaus, Jerry and all
>
>
> On 4/24/07 2:42 PM, "Jerry Diethelm" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> if everything would be reduced to cognition, we would live in the stone
> age.
>
> Without cognition language would not exist much less Horst's ability to
> express his ideas through language.
>
> Do I detect a little cognitive dissonance?
>
> Why not go deeper Klaus? Have you read "Where Mathematics Comes From "
> (Lakoff and Nunez)? I'd love your dispassionate, reasoned explanation. (no
> stone age please.)
>
>
> Best regards,
> Chuck
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