Joe, I'm surprised to hear you take this stance and
wonder how you handle plagiarism by your students(?).
Candice
--- Patrick Mc Manus <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
> Jo thanks for this article -will take time to read
> for these aged eyes -I
> was aware of some of Bob Dylan's borrowings it came
> as quite a shock was it
> 30 years ago article in London Poetry Library re
> 'blowing in the wind
> ''times are a changing was it from Behan ? Than from
> early ballads 'blue
> eyed son'be good to see a complete (if possible list
> 'how they were taken
> used built on
> Also thanks all for mentioning Lucinda Williams -I
> had not heard of her but
> found some tracks on for me!newly discovered You
> Tube
> Cheers from a damp grey Raynes Park day
> P
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Joseph Duemer
> Sent: 22 March 2007 20:59
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: there's chalk ...
>
> Popular culture & indeed all of literature is based
> on inappropriate use of
> sources. Jonathan Lethem has a wonderful essay, "The
> Ecstasy of Influence,"
> in the last Harper's. He mentions Dylan
> specifically. It's
>
online<http://www.harpers.org/TheEcstasyOfInfluence.html>
> .
>
> jd
>
> On 3/22/07, MC Ward <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > What do you mean, so what? Why shouldn't Bob be
> held
> > accountable for his "inappropriate" use of
> sources?
> > Imagine what HE'D be like with the shoe on the
> other
> > foot if "Nettie Moore" had been swiped from him.
> >
> > Candice
> >
> >
> >
> > --- MJ Walker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > I can't argue with that list, whatever Bob
> lifted
> > > from civil war poets
> > > (so what? as others have remarked) - and I
> haven't
> > > even heard the new
> > > Lucinda Williams yet (still reeling from WWT),
> > > though I might choose
> > > Elvis Costello or Gillian Welch instead of Joni
> > > Mitchell.
> > > mj
> > > Joseph Duemer wrote:
> > >
> > > > The only recent Cohen album I haven't liked is
> > > Dear Heather. I think
> > > > Ten New
> > > > Songs, The Future & this new Blue Alert are
> all
> > > fine. There's only one
> > > > clunker on Blue Alert, but I leave it to you
> to
> > > find it. Anjani's voice
> > > > seems the perfect vehicle.
> > > >
> > > > Neil Young's lyrics are often appalling, I
> think:
> > > Portentous claptrap,
> > > > romantic sap, bad & I mean really bad rhymes.
> But
> > > when he sings them with
> > > > Crazyhorse, it all makes perfect sense to me.
> > > >
> > > > In the spirit of Hornby's novel, which is full
> of
> > > Top Five Lists, here
> > > > are
> > > > my top five contemporary pop lyricists:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Bob Dylan
> > > > 2. Tom Waits
> > > > 3. Joni Mitchell
> > > > 4. Leonard Cohen
> > > > 5. Lucinda Williams
> > > >
> > > > jd
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > The art of being civilized is the art of
> learning to
> > > read between the lies. - Kenneth Rexroth
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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>
> --
> Joseph Duemer
> Professor of Humanities
> Clarkson University
> [sharpsand.net]
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