medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
Wow. Glad I asked.
Thank you.
DW
Christopher Crockett wrote:
> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
>
> From: Diana Wright <[log in to unmask]>
>
>
>> What do you mean by "collegiale church"? This is a phrase used
>>
> frequently here & I realized I don't understand it.
>
>
> simply put, a collegial (or, alternatively, collegiate) church is one served
> by a "college" of canons.
>
> the exception is cathedrals which were --at least in most of Europe-- served
> by canons but were not collegials.
>
> in northern France (at least) collegial churches were also sometimes referred
> to as "abbeys" or even "monasteries" --its canons sometimes styled "monachi"
> as well as "canonici."
>
> but most were, before the 12th c. (and sometimes long after), "secular"
> churches, the canons living a more or less informal life, without being
> subject to a "rule" (_regula_) --which would have made them "regular."
>
> a movement of "reform" picked up steam in the closing years of the 11th c.,
> aiming to impose a "rule" on the life of these "secular" canons, both in
> collegial abbeys and in cathedral chapters.
>
> St. Ivo was one of the major figures in this movement, first as reforming
> abbot of the collegial of St. Quentin at Beauvais, then (after 1090) as Bishop
> of Chartres, where he imposed a rule on the ancient collegial abbey of St.
> John ("en vall�e") and attempted to do the same in the collegial of St. Mary
> Magdelene in Chateaudun, about 25 miles south of Chartres and other collegials
> in his diocese.
>
>
> Paris became another center for the reform of secular collegials with the
> establishment of the abbey of St. Victor's, on the right bank, just south of
> the Cit� (more famous, to us, for its theological school).
>
> this provided a vehicle for the possible reform ("regulation", if you will) of
> secular ecclesiastical institutions all over the King's lands and beyond --a
> prebend in all the major cathedrals and collegials within the King's Gift was
> given to St. Victor's, a kind of "foot in the door."
>
> but, the Victorine reform was a very mixed sucess, since there was a
> tremendous resistance to reform in these ancient institutions --which had been
> sources of lay patronage for generations-- and this resistance reached a peak
> in the 1120s and '30s, especially in Paris and Orleans, where prominent
> reformers were actually murdered and the Capetian dynasty itself was, for a
> time, threatened with a kind of civil war in which the resistance to reform
> was a significant element.
>
> prying collegial institutions from the hands of laymen --the descendants of
> their founders, usually-- and "regularlising" them was a long, hard slog and
> many were still unreformed late in the 12th c.
>
> c
>
>
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