Exactly what Lethem argues in Harper's. See above.
On 3/22/07, MJ Walker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> And what relevance does that bear? In fact it is well known that he
> swiped a lot of stuff - he admits it in his memoirs. Brecht stole from
> everyone without ever acknowledging anything, Kipling included, other
> people's translations of Villon, you name it. And what about Willie
> Shakespeare? Did he say "I got this from Bandello or Cinthio"? Of
> course, US lawyer types would have been all over him & there would have
> been an end of the Bard. Intellectual or artistic property rights are
> nonsense if they are to be used to stop people finding inspiration, all
> art is translation/-mission from one work to another - I was watching
> *Philadelphia Story* again tonight & it struck me how many quotations
> the film contains - were they acknowledged in footnotes at the end of
> the film? No. If you recognise them, it's amusing - if you don't they've
> been integrated in the new work.
> I rest my case, m'lud.
> mj
>
> MC Ward wrote:
>
> >What do you mean, so what? Why shouldn't Bob be held
> >accountable for his "inappropriate" use of sources?
> >Imagine what HE'D be like with the shoe on the other
> >foot if "Nettie Moore" had been swiped from him.
> >
> >Candice
> >
> >
> >
> >--- MJ Walker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>I can't argue with that list, whatever Bob lifted
> >>from civil war poets
> >>(so what? as others have remarked) - and I haven't
> >>even heard the new
> >>Lucinda Williams yet (still reeling from WWT),
> >>though I might choose
> >>Elvis Costello or Gillian Welch instead of Joni
> >>Mitchell.
> >>mj
> >>Joseph Duemer wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>The only recent Cohen album I haven't liked is
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Dear Heather. I think
> >>
> >>
> >>>Ten New
> >>>Songs, The Future & this new Blue Alert are all
> >>>
> >>>
> >>fine. There's only one
> >>
> >>
> >>>clunker on Blue Alert, but I leave it to you to
> >>>
> >>>
> >>find it. Anjani's voice
> >>
> >>
> >>>seems the perfect vehicle.
> >>>
> >>>Neil Young's lyrics are often appalling, I think:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Portentous claptrap,
> >>
> >>
> >>>romantic sap, bad & I mean really bad rhymes. But
> >>>
> >>>
> >>when he sings them with
> >>
> >>
> >>>Crazyhorse, it all makes perfect sense to me.
> >>>
> >>>In the spirit of Hornby's novel, which is full of
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Top Five Lists, here
> >>
> >>
> >>>are
> >>>my top five contemporary pop lyricists:
> >>>
> >>>1. Bob Dylan
> >>>2. Tom Waits
> >>>3. Joni Mitchell
> >>>4. Leonard Cohen
> >>>5. Lucinda Williams
> >>>
> >>>jd
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>--
> >>
> >>The art of being civilized is the art of learning to
> >>read between the lies. - Kenneth Rexroth
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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> --
>
> The art of being civilized is the art of learning to read between the
> lies. - Kenneth Rexroth
>
--
Joseph Duemer
Professor of Humanities
Clarkson University
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